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SteveForrest  
#1 Posted : 19 October 2015 16:34:07(UTC)
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SteveForrest

Anyone on here have experience of these? I am writing the Evacuation Emergency Plan for our new building which is a 2 story building with the offices on the 1st floor. We have 2 disabled refuge points and rarely get disabled persons visiting, but need to ensure the correct procedure is in place for evacuating anyone disabled. From my investigations and discussions with the local fire authority, the evacuation sledge is the easiest solution.
firesafety101  
#2 Posted : 19 October 2015 18:42:06(UTC)
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firesafety101

Well done for thinking and planning ahead. I would just suggest you have someone have a chat with physically disabled visitors to see if they can walk and descend a staircase, even with assistance from a non disabled person. There are many wheelchair and/or scooter users who simply choose not to walk for different reasons. Do not assume that every wheelchair user cannot walk. Some may be able to descend on their bottom. Disabled people should be able to contribute to their PEEP even visitors, it may help the evacuation process.
biker1  
#3 Posted : 20 October 2015 09:16:54(UTC)
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biker1

I would agree with some aspects of the last post. However, in the case of some wheelchair users, they may be able to walk a short distance, but not without pain or putting themselves at risk, so it is safer for them to use a wheelchair. There are others who would not manage the distance to a final exit on foot, and for those whose legs are likely to give way, helping them down a staircase could be very dangerous to all concerned. So it is not so much a matter of choice to use a wheelchair, but a necessity. I agree that there needs to be a conversation with those with a disability to gauge what they are capable of, but try to ensure you are getting the true picture, as most people with disabilities are loath to admit the extent of them and what they can't do. If you do use evac chairs etc, please ensure that people are trained to use them properly, otherwise you can turn an evacuation into something resembling the Cresta run.
SteveForrest  
#4 Posted : 20 October 2015 11:30:16(UTC)
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SteveForrest

It will be difficult to have conversation with disabled visitors as they are very rarely seen in the building. I am looking to implement a procedure to ensure the evacuation process is suitable.
Invictus  
#5 Posted : 20 October 2015 12:54:47(UTC)
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Invictus

We have them in a number of our buildings, training in the use is simple enough and we have never had the need to use them. I prefer them to chairs because the chairs can still tip depending on who is available to carry it. We just move to the next refuge and wait. We have used them as part of the planned evacuation but we normally use employees and not the service users.
firesafety101  
#6 Posted : 20 October 2015 20:07:42(UTC)
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firesafety101

SteveForrest wrote:
It will be difficult to have conversation with disabled visitors as they are very rarely seen in the building. I am looking to implement a procedure to ensure the evacuation process is suitable.
Steve, are you saying there is no control of visitors? Surely visitors will be signed in, that will be the time for the short conversation about the PEEP and to register their location in the building, this for the use of the "sledge" users who need to know where to locate the disabled person. Biker 1, I am aware there are various degrees of disability, I am personally well familiar with that, and if a visiting wheelchair user is given the opportunity to suggest the best way for them to be evacuated surely that is the way forward.
SteveForrest  
#7 Posted : 22 October 2015 08:18:48(UTC)
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SteveForrest

Visitors are controlled, but I wont be able to discuss with them what PEEP would like, so once a decision is made. It will be explained as they sign in to the building.
Invictus  
#8 Posted : 22 October 2015 08:36:50(UTC)
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Invictus

We always use the visitor book I think when you have a disabled person on site it is not so much the location but how much assistance do they require and by whom. If they are alone when visiting employees don't feel as comfortable assisting someone with a disability they don't know as opposed to a colleague and this goes back to litigation. We always have a conversation with anyone visitor with a disability to check what they need in the way of assistance and will then set the appropriate or more confident member of staff to assist if required.
SteveForrest  
#9 Posted : 22 October 2015 08:46:05(UTC)
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SteveForrest

I understand now. Thanks for the help.
Invictus  
#10 Posted : 22 October 2015 08:49:49(UTC)
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Invictus

Steve, can I ask are the refuge points designated i.e. Has independent communication system, or the top of the stairwell that has been identified by the company as this is a refuge point
SteveForrest  
#11 Posted : 22 October 2015 08:51:59(UTC)
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SteveForrest

We have two refuge points at the top of the two stairs (staff & visitor). These are fitted with independent communication systems to a handset by the main fire panel.
firesafety101  
#12 Posted : 22 October 2015 11:19:26(UTC)
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firesafety101

Good to hear there are refuge points and my assumption is they are fire resistant protected and the communication will be two way and attended. However please do not assume anyone inside a Refuge is safe and do not leave them for rescue by the fire and rescue service as their role is firefighting and although they may assist people out they will not be too happy to do it.
SteveForrest  
#13 Posted : 22 October 2015 11:22:03(UTC)
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SteveForrest

My conversation with the Fire Officer brought up that Fire & Rescue are not for evacuation, hence why I am looking at the evacuation sledges and will be nominating employees who will undertake the rescue of disabled persons.
Invictus  
#14 Posted : 22 October 2015 11:57:36(UTC)
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Invictus

Yea not their responsibility. In my last job we trained the whole of the floor were the disabled person was working, as well as assigning buddies to ensure they were safe. The person told me they wouldn't use it anyway they would take it slowly down the stairs and was upset when I said 'I bet you will if I'm behind'
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