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David Bannister  
#1 Posted : 21 October 2015 22:59:57(UTC)
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David Bannister
Surely not: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34575170 BBC investigation reveals Centres caught rigging construction safety exams. Another blow to my faith in such schemes!
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walker  
#2 Posted : 22 October 2015 07:51:15(UTC)
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walker
This is not the first time this has been identified. I thought it was common knowledge it was rife You have to be pretty dim to need help with that. My attitude is that any orgnisation that puts its faith into CSCS is that they themselves are a bit suspect when it comes to real safety. My box ticking alarm goes off.
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RayRapp  
#3 Posted : 22 October 2015 08:17:52(UTC)
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RayRapp
I saw the news last night re CSCS. I have little faith in this system as a means of assessing competency/training. I have even less now. Surely the construction industry can come up with something more meaningful?
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walker  
#4 Posted : 22 October 2015 08:31:10(UTC)
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walker
RayRapp wrote:
I saw the news last night re CSCS. I have little faith in this system as a means of assessing competency/training. I have even less now. Surely the construction industry can come up with something more meaningful?
You assume the industry want something better, I'm more cynical.
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RayRapp  
#5 Posted : 22 October 2015 08:48:37(UTC)
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RayRapp
Walker, you are cynical...but not wrong either. I have said before CSCS is a cheap and lazy way for employers to discharge their duties by providing so-called training. Even the good old HSE are now distancing themselves from this process.
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Victor Meldrew  
#6 Posted : 22 October 2015 12:54:16(UTC)
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Victor Meldrew
Been going on for years - even cutting out the 'middle man' with counterfeit cards as long as 4 years ago.
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walker  
#7 Posted : 22 October 2015 14:42:00(UTC)
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walker
Victor Meldrew wrote:
Been going on for years - even cutting out the 'middle man' with counterfeit cards as long as 4 years ago.
a nice irony that the scammers are being scammed
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RayRapp  
#8 Posted : 23 October 2015 11:51:22(UTC)
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RayRapp
A comment by the HSE. Interesting to note - “No card provides complete evidence of competence and additional enquiries and/or supervision are normally needed. Cards alone cannot be relied upon as a measure of competence and should not be used as a ‘passport’ onto a construction site.” Bolted and stable door springs to mind. http://www.shponline.co....expose/?cid=homepage_3rd
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jay  
#9 Posted : 23 October 2015 12:01:59(UTC)
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jay
It was naive of BBC to portray that the test is the significant aspect of the CSCS Card. We all know that the test is an extremely generic one and does not replace Site Specific Health & Safety Induction. The significant aspect of the CSCS Card is the "Trade Skills" aspect. It is up to the scheme owners to the call on the Health & Safety Test--My preference is for a one day basic--Level 1 Health and Safety Training Attendance
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Stedman  
#10 Posted : 23 October 2015 13:22:21(UTC)
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Stedman
Jay wrote:
It was naive of BBC to portray that the test is the significant aspect of the CSCS Card. We all know that the test is an extremely generic one and does not replace Site Specific Health & Safety Induction. The significant aspect of the CSCS Card is the "Trade Skills" aspect. It is up to the scheme owners to the call on the Health & Safety Test--My preference is for a one day basic--Level 1 Health and Safety Training Attendance
...............with a requirement that all CMIOSH and CFIOSH practitioners also attend this training!!!
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Tigers  
#11 Posted : 23 October 2015 15:27:13(UTC)
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Tigers
From memory, I don't think CSCS even recognise CMIOSH as a qualification of competence in exemptions.
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Stedman  
#12 Posted : 23 October 2015 16:54:12(UTC)
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Stedman
tigers wrote:
From memory, I don't think CSCS even recognise CMIOSH as a qualification of competence in exemptions.
That is correct, hence my comment.
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jay  
#13 Posted : 23 October 2015 17:02:55(UTC)
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jay
No, it should not be a requirement for those who can demonstrate Health & Safety awareness by other means. The level one day could be made a requirement for those who do not have health & safety module as an integral aspect of their other trade/professional skills qualification/certification/membership.level
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boblewis  
#14 Posted : 24 October 2015 11:42:48(UTC)
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boblewis
The CSCS card has in my memory been forged ever since its inception. If you create a ticket to a job then people will create a forgery market. The old corgi register was even heavily hacked in the end with forged cards being added to the real register by the hackers. CSCS is no different in my view. The bone about IOSH qualifications and membership and CSCS will I fear never be ended as long as the originators of CSCS still get money for old rope. IOSH were far to soft and almost cap in hand in their attitudes towards CITB etc in the infant days of this card and failed to recognise the problems that were bound to arise.
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SteveDClarke  
#15 Posted : 24 October 2015 12:00:08(UTC)
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SteveDClarke
Hi I've taken countless exams/tests graduate, postgraduate, IOSH etc etc and CSCS. For me CSCS appeared to have the most rigorous vetting procedure for exam candidates it was as difficult as getting an actual passport but I guess its not just CSCS cards that are hacked all exam/certificates are including IOSH. Regards Steve
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SNS  
#16 Posted : 25 October 2015 20:28:09(UTC)
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SNS
SteveDClarke wrote:
Hi I've taken countless exams/tests graduate, postgraduate, IOSH etc etc and CSCS. For me CSCS appeared to have the most rigorous vetting procedure for exam candidates it was as difficult as getting an actual passport but I guess its not just CSCS cards that are hacked all exam/certificates are including IOSH. Regards Steve
I (and IOSH HQ) would be interested in any evidence of IOSH exams / certificates being hacked or forged.
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walker  
#17 Posted : 26 October 2015 08:33:09(UTC)
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walker
....and nine of the UK’s top 10 biggest construction companies demand them before workers can enter a site. THIS is where the problem lies.
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boblewis  
#18 Posted : 26 October 2015 11:42:28(UTC)
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boblewis
Totally agree the industry has some major cultural issues that it simply does not want to address as long as it can get away with a ticked box
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