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douglas.dick  
#1 Posted : 05 November 2015 09:05:44(UTC)
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douglas.dick

The organisation that I work for are looking likely to require to make a RIDDOR report due to staff with Carpal Tunnel Syndrome or chronic cramp in the arm, with staff experiencing difficulties with repetitive movement on production lines. These staff are in the process of having medical diagnosis and the picture will become clearer soon. These staff are currently self diagnosing, although they are displaying many of the symptoms, so I may be worrying about nothing. The work activities would make Carpal Tunnel Syndrome unlikely, although the chronic cramp is more likely. My problem is that I can see my organisation telling me not to make the report! How is this best handled? I see this as an absolute duty for me to make the report, however, if I do I will obviously be putting my job in jeopardy. There are other areas where I have advised on issues and they ignore the advice, I have ensured that this is in writing and witnesses are present. I am not aware of what happens when an organisation doesn't make a report when it should have? Can anyone enlighten me?
Invictus  
#2 Posted : 05 November 2015 09:20:00(UTC)
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Invictus

The company can be fined for failure to report http://www.hse.gov.uk/enforce/examples/riddor.htm The problem appears to be that they are not doing enough to protect employees and therefore if you have a number of the same tyoe of injuries to report they will in all likely be hit with an improvement notice, plus the added costs of the HSE visit, which is about £170.00 an hour or so.
Colossians 1:14  
#3 Posted : 05 November 2015 09:24:40(UTC)
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Colossians 1:14

douglas.dick wrote:
The organisation that I work for are looking likely to require to make a RIDDOR report due to staff with Carpal Tunnel Syndrome or chronic cramp in the arm, with staff experiencing difficulties with repetitive movement on production lines. These staff are in the process of having medical diagnosis and the picture will become clearer soon. These staff are currently self diagnosing, although they are displaying many of the symptoms, so I may be worrying about nothing. The work activities would make Carpal Tunnel Syndrome unlikely, although the chronic cramp is more likely. My problem is that I can see my organisation telling me not to make the report! How is this best handled? I see this as an absolute duty for me to make the report, however, if I do I will obviously be putting my job in jeopardy. There are other areas where I have advised on issues and they ignore the advice, I have ensured that this is in writing and witnesses are present. I am not aware of what happens when an organisation doesn't make a report when it should have? Can anyone enlighten me?
I've been in your situation so can empathise with you. I used to email everything to the boss, explaining my concerns. I then 'blind' copied my home email address when sending. I would also be on the look out for other work!
RayRapp  
#4 Posted : 05 November 2015 09:38:45(UTC)
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RayRapp

Anyone suffering from carpal tunnel syndrome or WRULDS generally need to be assessed by an Occupational Therapist or similar and a report sent to the employer with a copy to the employee. This is essentially a HR/OH process in my opinion. With regards to any carpalgate, you could cite your IOSH Code of Conduct. It is a breach if you condone any cover up or non-compliance with the law. It would be a brave employer to insist you disregard the CoC, I would also request it in writing...you won't get it of course.
douglas.dick  
#5 Posted : 05 November 2015 09:50:22(UTC)
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douglas.dick

Thanks for the replies, the information is very useful. Yes I am boxing clever with this position and I am looking for work. On a brighter note they seem to be listening on this as a potential threat, but the proof will be very much in the pudding!
Invictus  
#6 Posted : 05 November 2015 10:26:46(UTC)
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Invictus

Do they need to be HSE appointed Dr's or is that just for health surveillance?
Ian A-H  
#7 Posted : 05 November 2015 10:52:47(UTC)
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Ian  A-H

Ray - the company are prepared to break THE LAW, I don't think forcing one of their employees to contravene his Code of Conduct is going to cause them to lose much sleep! Inviticus - The diagnosis must be made in writing by a Registered Medical Practitioner, so any doctor. Douglas - the advice about putting everything in writing and keeping copies is sound. You could try whistle-blowing, but news reports about this shows it's usually the whistle-blower who suffers. Of course, there is nothing to stop the affected employees complaining direct to the HSE http://www.hse.gov.uk/contact/concerns.htm I know it's unlikely, given what you have said already, but you could direct them to the H&S Law poster. Or leave the EMAS phone number lying around the tea room... Ian
Ian A-H  
#8 Posted : 05 November 2015 10:58:19(UTC)
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Ian  A-H

Invictus, sorry!
douglas.dick  
#9 Posted : 05 November 2015 13:25:56(UTC)
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douglas.dick

Ian, there is a part of me that hopes someone does contact HSE about it. The other part thinks I will not come out of it well despite covering my ass. Thanks for the advice though, its sometimes the obvious that is impossible to see!
Ian A-H  
#10 Posted : 05 November 2015 13:35:16(UTC)
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Ian  A-H

Good Luck, Douglas. None of us would want to be in your predicament. Let us know how it goes. Ian
RayRapp  
#11 Posted : 05 November 2015 13:55:58(UTC)
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RayRapp

Ian A-H wrote:
Ray - the company are prepared to break THE LAW, I don't think forcing one of their employees to contravene his Code of Conduct is going to cause them to lose much sleep! Ian
Ian, fair point. However I was really coming from the angle of covering it up.
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