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SamJen1973  
#1 Posted : 11 November 2015 10:34:23(UTC)
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SamJen1973

Hi folks, I wonder if anyone can assist.

We've got a confined space - a sub-floor plant room with the main hazard related to potential for release of chlorine gas. The entrance to is the space is by lifting the floor hatch (approx. size 3' x 3' ) and then going down a fixed aluminium stair case, with bannister at one side.

We've already taken measures to reduce how often people need to enter the plant room and there are various safeguards in place regarding the atmosphere. So, in all probability, the need for emergency rescue would be from someone becoming ill (unrelated to chlorine release) when working down there or if they were to slip/fall when entering/exiting, and we will have measures in place to ensure fitness to enter confined space, suitable footwear/PPE, working in pairs etc.

I'm trying to assess and identify suitable evacuation equipment. I don't think, due to the stair-case type entry, that a tripod and winch would be suitable as we cannot do a direct vertical lift. Does anyone have any experience of this type of evacuation requirement and could suggest products/solutions that I could investigate?

Many thanks.

Sam
Simon Heesom  
#2 Posted : 11 November 2015 12:58:48(UTC)
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Simon Heesom

Hi Sam,

I would talk to the Mines Rescue Service at Crossgates in Dunfermline, they are the trainers for Veolia water, Scottish Water, the Fire & Ambulance Services, HSE etc.

But from my time in the water industry with similar types of entry, it was a two man rescue team in full BA and a SKED Stretcher.

Regards

Simon
westonphil  
#3 Posted : 11 November 2015 13:19:17(UTC)
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westonphil

One suggestion, if not already done, would be to send your rescue team on a good Confined Space Rescue Training course. They can then discuss their challenge on the course, as it will be relevant and real, and hopefully they will either pick up a good solution or else get pointed in the right direction. Whatever you get of course they will need to use it.

Regards
SamJen1973  
#4 Posted : 11 November 2015 14:03:54(UTC)
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SamJen1973

Thanks Simon. I think stretcher option is what we may have to end up with, but will be helpful to have a chat with the company you suggested to see if they've got any alternative suggestions

Thanks also, Westonphil - staff are going on their CS training in a couple of weeks I'm sure they will get useful info about the practicalities of rescue from our plant set up. I'm just doing some pre-emptive research into likely workable options to support them in designing the evac plan.
walker  
#5 Posted : 11 November 2015 14:19:51(UTC)
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walker

Going off at a tanget; does the stair case conform to the building regs?
SamJen1973  
#6 Posted : 11 November 2015 14:53:51(UTC)
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SamJen1973

Walker - yes, the stairs are OK. They are a new upgrade from the submarine style ladders that were previously used to get in to the room!

Without going in to too much detail, the whole thing has escalated recently due to a decision taken (without my knowledge, and that I would have not approved of - elf 'n safety and all that) to install additional plant/equipment in the area that introduced new hazards.

Who'd be a H&S Manager!
Alfasev  
#7 Posted : 11 November 2015 15:20:41(UTC)
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Alfasev

From what you have described I agree with other replies and would be looking at using an emergency rescue team. However it is very difficult to carry a stretcher out of a confined space link this. It is expensive to train and equip a rescue team. You may find people are reluctant to be part of a rescue team, a member may leave and they will require regular refresher training.

I have used both in-house and Mines Rescue. We gave up on in in-house team.

Plant rooms are not automatically confined spaces even if toxic substances are processed or transferred. You have not given any details about why there is potential for the release of chlorine gas. Is there the possibility of eliminating the risk?
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