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decimomal  
#1 Posted : 30 November 2015 09:22:07(UTC)
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decimomal

What formal raining do operatives need for carrying out non notifiable asbestos removal? I have looked at the HSE pages ion this, that state what should be covered, but I was intrigued by the paragraph that states there is no legal requirement for employees to hold a certificate of training before they can work with asbestos.

The guys do hold asbestos awareness certificates but we are keen to ensure that they are provided with the proper information, instruction and training for removal (typically asbestos cement sheeting). Can this be done by a competent person in house or does it need something more?

Many thanks.
RayRapp  
#2 Posted : 30 November 2015 10:03:05(UTC)
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RayRapp

In simple terms the level of training depends on the risk associated with the work. AAT is only for those who may come into contact of ACMs and not for thos who will be removing ACMs. Those who are removing NLW or NNLW will require an extra level of training according to the HSE guidance. Link below should give you the information you require.

http://www.hse.gov.uk/asbestos/training.htm#type
decimomal  
#3 Posted : 30 November 2015 10:08:40(UTC)
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decimomal

Thank you for taking the time to reply to my query Ray. Your link was my stating point and does not really answer my query in terms of what training is actually required for non notifiable removal; can you give me any more pointers?
RayRapp  
#4 Posted : 30 November 2015 10:57:21(UTC)
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RayRapp

I think I understand what you are syaing...NNW is not covered within the training on the HSE pages. I think this is either an error or a typo. In which case you could either provide training up to the standard of NNLW, or cherry pick for a hybrid, or book them on an approved course.

If doing training in-house I would consider the minimum as follows:

the properties of asbestos and its effects on health, including the increased risk of developing lung cancer for asbestos workers who smoke
the types, uses and likely occurrence of asbestos and asbestos materials in buildings and plant
the general procedures to deal with an emergency, eg an uncontrolled release of asbestos dust into the workplace
how to avoid the risk of exposure to asbestos
how to make suitable and sufficient assessments about the risk of exposure to asbestos
safe work practices and control measures, including an explanation of the correct use of control measures, protective equipment and work methods
selection and appropriate use of protective equipment
waste handling procedures
emergency procedures
relevant legal requirements
circumstances when non-licensed work may be notifiable (ie NNLW)
Employers should also make sure that workers doing non-licensable work or NNLW have seen:

a copy of the risk assessment for that work
a copy of the plan of work
where applicable, details and results of any air monitoring, including results for similar work
In addition, the following information should be given to workers, on request:

maintenance records for control measures
their own personal information from health records
the results of any face-fit test (FFT) for RPE provided for work with asbestos
a copy of the individual’s training record


decimomal  
#5 Posted : 30 November 2015 11:15:11(UTC)
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decimomal

Thanks again Ray, much apprciated.
Bywater33380  
#6 Posted : 30 November 2015 12:24:46(UTC)
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Bywater33380

On this subject I have just been told at work that I am not qualified to deliver basic AAT to employees. I have been accredited by NEBOSH to deliver both NGC and Diploma and hold the CIEH Professional Trainers Cert, so I'm slightly puzzled by my employers comments, have I missed something?

Can anyone confirm this please as I am unaware of any new legislation that has changed the staus of trainers.

All thoughts welcome.
RayRapp  
#7 Posted : 30 November 2015 12:35:05(UTC)
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RayRapp

Bywater33380 wrote:
On this subject I have just been told at work that I am not qualified to deliver basic AAT to employees. I have been accredited by NEBOSH to deliver both NGC and Diploma and hold the CIEH Professional Trainers Cert, so I'm slightly puzzled by my employers comments, have I missed something?

Can anyone confirm this please as I am unaware of any new legislation that has changed the staus of trainers.

All thoughts welcome.


I am not aware of any new legislation or caveat in current legislation which would prevent you from delivering AAT. Indeed, you do not need any qualifications to deliver general h&s training. I suggest you go back and ask your employer what 'qualifications' you need to deliver AAT. I for one would be interested in the answer.
Colossians 1:14  
#8 Posted : 30 November 2015 13:20:54(UTC)
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Colossians 1:14

Bywater33380 wrote:
On this subject I have just been told at work that I am not qualified to deliver basic AAT to employees. I have been accredited by NEBOSH to deliver both NGC and Diploma and hold the CIEH Professional Trainers Cert, so I'm slightly puzzled by my employers comments, have I missed something?

Can anyone confirm this please as I am unaware of any new legislation that has changed the staus of trainers.

All thoughts welcome.


Ask who told you that you are not qualified and why? I would be interested to know the reply aswell!
Colossians 1:14  
#9 Posted : 30 November 2015 13:24:50(UTC)
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Colossians 1:14

Bywater33380 wrote:
On this subject I have just been told at work that I am not qualified to deliver basic AAT to employees. I have been accredited by NEBOSH to deliver both NGC and Diploma and hold the CIEH Professional Trainers Cert, so I'm slightly puzzled by my employers comments, have I missed something?

Can anyone confirm this please as I am unaware of any new legislation that has changed the staus of trainers.

All thoughts welcome.


I bet the letters U.....K.....A....T.....A have something to do with it!
Bywater33380  
#10 Posted : 30 November 2015 13:44:40(UTC)
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Bywater33380

Colossians 1:14 wrote:
Bywater33380 wrote:
On this subject I have just been told at work that I am not qualified to deliver basic AAT to employees. I have been accredited by NEBOSH to deliver both NGC and Diploma and hold the CIEH Professional Trainers Cert, so I'm slightly puzzled by my employers comments, have I missed something?

Can anyone confirm this please as I am unaware of any new legislation that has changed the staus of trainers.

All thoughts welcome.


I bet the letters U.....K.....A....T.....A have something to do with it!



Not sure who has decreed this but suspect it is somebody who thinks it might be company policy!
I have asked the question but suddenly everyone has gone very quiet.
And as for UKATA...if you pay £90 you can become an affiliate with no qualifications at all!!!
Ron Hunter  
#11 Posted : 30 November 2015 15:31:50(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

HSE's asbestos pages went a bit out of synch when the Regs were updated to align with the parent Directive - I thought they might have updated since then.

Anyhoo...... you want the ACoP L143 - Regulation 10 narrative describes full requirements for NNLW training.
Ron Hunter  
#12 Posted : 30 November 2015 15:40:30(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

OOps!

I did mean to post the extract:

"Record keeping for employees carrying out non-licensable work, including NNLW

245 A record of the information, instruction and training received by each
individual for non-licensable work should be kept to:
■■ help employers carry out ongoing TNA;
■■ support individual workers in demonstrating their knowledge, skills and
experience when they move from one employer to another.
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