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Recently I was delivering a presentation to the board and senior management regarding how the Company had performed over the last year. The Company had performed well, recording a 24% reduction in minor injuries following implementation of new controls.
I then mentioned that we had recently had two dangerous occurrences, one of which had not reported. I emphasised that all dangerous occurrences must be reported, documented and thoroughly investigated and notified etc. During this discussion it was argued as to what should be reported with a senior member stating “we have a dangerous occurrence every day!”. Something I disagree with.
Some of the Senior Management are genuinely concerned for their future, their liberty etc.
What are your thoughts?
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I agree all dangerous occurrences need to be reported and investigated thoroughly. I would be concerned if senior managers were aware of an incident and had not reported it.
If senior managers comply with the law then there is no reason they should be concerned about their future, or liberty, etc. That said, senior management are responsible for success and reap the rewards, they are also equally responsible for failure...
In the first instance I suggest you provide them with the IOD/HSE document ‘Leading Health and Safety at Work’ for some light reading.
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baal wrote:During this discussion it was argued as to what should be reported with a senior member stating “we have a dangerous occurrence every day!”. Something I disagree with.
I think you need to find out what that person thinks qualifies as a dangerous occurrence, and what you think qualifies as a dangerous occurrence, and work out if you're actually talking about the same thing. I had someone recently who maintained that we had had half a dozen RIDDOR reportable events on one of our sites in the last year. Since my understanding was that we had never had a RIDDOR on that site in the 30-ish years it has been operating (it's a smallish office - I'm not claiming this is a remarkable record), I did some digging. This person had decided that everything logged as a 'near miss' in our systems was was an occurrence that was potentially dangerous, and that RIDDOR required you to report dangerous occurrences, and further that the company-wide records were the records for that site. Obviously, they were not a safety person, and some training did ensue, but it's possible you have a similar understanding breakdown?
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Prior to that statement, we discussed and debated what constitutes a dangerous occurrence within our business.
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Agree with achrn. Use of the phrase dangerous occurrence has a particular meaning to H&S professionals outside of what it may mean to others. My guess is your manager's idea of dangerous occurrence would be closer to what I would call a near miss and he didn't understand what you were telling him about the more precise meaning in RIDDOR. I can easily believe that a poorly controlled site could have near misses daily.
Of course your manager may have understood you perfectly, in which case you have a problem! Ultimately he is only making your point for you though. Reporting safety concerns of any type, regardless of what you call them, is essential if an organisation is to manage H&S effectively, let alone being able to comply with RIDDOR.
I shall now stop preaching to the choir.
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You did tell them what we mean by that defined term?
Speechless.
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The interpretation of a Near Miss and Dangerous Occurrence relating to our work activities was explained and debated at length.
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baal wrote:Recently I was delivering a presentation to the board and senior management regarding how the Company had performed over the last year. The Company had performed well, recording a 24% reduction in minor injuries following implementation of new controls.
I then mentioned that we had recently had two dangerous occurrences, one of which had not reported. I emphasised that all dangerous occurrences must be reported, documented and thoroughly investigated and notified etc. During this discussion it was argued as to what should be reported with a senior member stating “we have a dangerous occurrence every day!”. Something I disagree with.
Some of the Senior Management are genuinely concerned for their future, their liberty etc.
What are your thoughts?
Baal, I would politely ask the senior member is he happy with having a dangerous occurrence 'every day'
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I hope that the Management know the difference between a RIDDOR Dangerous Occurrence and a "Near Miss" ??
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