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johnmurray  
#41 Posted : 07 January 2016 11:27:25(UTC)
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johnmurray

stillp wrote:
Having had to return to using a private car after 22 years of company cars, I was rather surprised to find when asking for insurance quotations that some companies do NOT cover travelling to a place of work under the "social, domestic and pleasure" usage.
Even when it does, it is only to a "single place of work"....so going from one workplace to another would not be covered by your single-workplace-commute policy. Basic policies also do not cover you for lift-sharing. Pitfalls are many. Take the quiz. It may interest you: https://www.jmginsurance...iz-motoring-prosecutions
jay  
#42 Posted : 07 January 2016 12:31:34(UTC)
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jay

Regarding liftsharing, refer to the FAQs from the most popular liftshare website:- https://liftshare.com/uk/community/faqs What are the legal and insurance implications of car-sharing? The Public Passenger Vehicle Act (1981 Section 1(4)) outlines the rules that govern car-sharing. Passenger contributions should be arranged before travel and should not exceed the running costs (including wear and depreciation) of the vehicle for the trip. Liftshare calculates a suggested price per passenger for your journey based on the length of your trip and using HM Revenue and Customs Approved Mileage Payment Allowance. In most countries, insurers state that car-sharing will not affect an individual's car insurance e.g. the Association of British Insurers clearly states that car-sharing won't affect the insurance of their members so long as a profit isn't made: "Giving Lifts - All ABI motor insurers have agreed that if your passengers contribute towards your running costs your insurance cover will not be affected, as long as lifts are given in a vehicle seating eight passengers or less. This agreement does not apply if you make a profit from payments received or if carrying passengers is your business." (Source: ABI 2012) Over 300 insurance providers are members of the ABI, accounting for about 95% of the motor insurance market in the UK. Drivers with any concerns, however, should check with their own insurance company as terms and conditions may vary between insurance providers over time.
Blonde Bandit  
#43 Posted : 07 January 2016 16:16:19(UTC)
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Blonde Bandit

An interesting thread so far. Local authorities tend to be one of the larger employer groups who favour the use of employees’ vehicles in exchange for a small monthly allowance over providing fleet cars. I have a friend who is a social worker, who can travel quite literally the length of the country at very short notice transporting children (often on an emergency basis where the removal of a child from an environment would not allow for planning a journey on public transport). This can obviously also require the fitting of child seats to ensure safety. I was surprised that her role hadn’t brought with it any additional checks other than mine at the time (insurance and MOT), and no training around the fitting of child seats (anybody doing this for the first time can relate to the expletives and trapped fingers that usually accompany the task!). Also the additional stress that having small people in the car can bring was never addressed. I don’t have children so when nieces and nephews are in my car, I do find the shouting and throwing of food/toys/siblings somewhat distracting. This was also at a time when pay cuts were first hitting LA employees, and the essential car user allowances were then being used to pay for parking permits at work rather than vehicle maintenance. I remember a particularly stressful time when her car needed a critical repair (wheel bearing) and she was being pressured to keep using her car in the week leading up to it being booked in the garage due to sheer workload. We put an emphasis on the importance of additional safety controls when transporting flammable goods for example because of the risk to others, but what about when we are placing our customers/clients/service users in those vehicles for which we ‘discharge the risk’ but pile on the pressure?
sadlass  
#44 Posted : 07 January 2016 17:45:32(UTC)
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sadlass

Local authorities have got away with cheapskate 'hire' of employee vehicles for years. Then more recently they started cutting the allowances which were contractually provided to compensate, yet still expecting the same provision of a handy supply of vehicles and willing drivers. As for the way they use social workers and their cars (with un-managed car seats) for transporting children as part of an official and statutory duty - disgraceful. You are quite right to be appalled, but until something bad happens, this policy will not be questioned. "It's the way we've always done it". Saving tax payer money . . . But they have admin assistants spend hours checking private vehicle and driver documents for what difference that makes.
Blonde Bandit  
#45 Posted : 08 January 2016 13:50:58(UTC)
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Blonde Bandit

Local Authorities really leave a lot to be desired in this field. I remember when all essential car users had to go on mandatory driver training - on how to drive more economically! The company running it told me not to bother as I had a 2.5l V6 automatic. I did think that there were some user groups who would have benefited from more safety focussed training (car seat selection and installation being one of them!) Sadlass your comment that LA's naff policies won't be questioned until something bad happens is very sad and very true.
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