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firesafety101  
#1 Posted : 08 January 2016 16:19:26(UTC)
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firesafety101

The CDM Regs 2007 are still in operation in Northern Ireland so this question does have some relevance.

The definition of Domestic Client is someone who lives, or will live in the premises where the work is carried out.

Although a domestic client does not have duties under CDM 2007, those who work for them on construction projects will.

In CDM 07 there can only be one Client, how then can there be a domestic Client and a Client appointed under the CDM Regulations, that makes 2 Clients.

Alfasev  
#2 Posted : 08 January 2016 16:30:09(UTC)
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Alfasev

It is either domestic or not. Under CDM 2007 and CDM2015 you can have more than one client
Ron Hunter  
#3 Posted : 08 January 2016 17:14:29(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Not sure I entirely understand your question, FireSafety101.

Domestic Client issues in NI are moot. CDM2007 still applies (although I don't understand how that's permitted!)

CDM has always recognised that there may be more than one party who can be considered the commissioning client- particularly true on large projects. The idea is that one party elects to undertake the CDM Client role. That role is also transferable.

More than one CDM Client at any one time? No.
firesafety101  
#4 Posted : 09 January 2016 10:36:38(UTC)
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firesafety101

Thanks, I should provide more detail.

CDM applies to all construction work.

Domestic clients have no responsibilities under CDM.

The Council awards a grant for building a GFloor room for a disabled person.

The Counci choose the contractors.

The Council draw up the Schedule of works and pay the bill once the work is finished.

If the project is notifiable the Council appoint the CDM Coordinator. (Works carried out in 2014)

The domestic householder in this case has no authority over the works at all.

Who is the Client ?

boblewis  
#5 Posted : 10 January 2016 16:54:07(UTC)
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boblewis

FireSafety101 wrote:
Thanks, I should provide more detail.

CDM applies to all construction work.

Domestic clients have no responsibilities under CDM.

The Council awards a grant for building a GFloor room for a disabled person.

The Counci choose the contractors.

The Council draw up the Schedule of works and pay the bill once the work is finished.

If the project is notifiable the Council appoint the CDM Coordinator. (Works carried out in 2014)

The domestic householder in this case has no authority over the works at all.

Who is the Client ?



He who chooses the workers and pays the money

Simples
achrn  
#6 Posted : 11 January 2016 08:31:24(UTC)
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achrn

FireSafety101 wrote:

The Council awards a grant for building a GFloor room for a disabled person.
The Council choose the contractors.
The Council draw up the Schedule of works and pay the bill once the work is finished.


I'd say that's an easy one - the council. They are paying for it, specifying what is done, selecting the contractor. As the ACOP says (paragraph 41) "take into account who ... ultimately decides what is to be constructed, where, when and by whom"

CDM allows multiple clients. Regulation 8 makes it clear that there may be multiple clients. I don't know where the idea that there can be only one arises from.
Ron Hunter  
#7 Posted : 11 January 2016 12:27:40(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

I should qualify my previous response. It is my personal preference that our CDM Projects are managed by one CDM Client at any one time. Splitting duties between 2 parties can be problematic.

That said, in the scenario FireSafety101 describes, the Local Authority is the obvious CDM Client.

Just in case NI ever catches up: CDM 2007 Regulation 8 = CDM 2015 Regulation 4(8)
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