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Currently have a project as Principal Contractor and will be employing a demolition contractor to demolish and clear the site and then possibly a company to carryout remediation if required, at this point the work will stop.
Principal Designer is requesting construction phase plan for the whole project and will not accept a plan taking in to account demolition and remediation phase's only.
Your comments on this would be appreciated as it seems that he is asking for more than is required at this point in time and the development site may well be sold so cannot be sure if we will be the PC after this point.
Regards
PaulR
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The reply to CDMCs in the old days was to demand all project and design information to do this. They then became more amenable. Try it you need to get onto the front foot
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I like Bob's comments.
I would also add, a CPP is a live document, to be updated as and when required. How can a PC complete a CPP further than the demolition/remediation phase if they do not know what follows?
I would seriously question the competency of the PD if they think you have a crystal ball at your disposal.
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(tongue slightly in cheek)
Why is the PD telling you what the scope of the CPP should be? That's not their job. Sounds like your plan is exactly right - detailing how your entire existing brief (demolition and remediation) will be completed safely.
I have a few projects where an ex-CDM-C has morphed into some sort of odd CDM Manager for the client (in some cases also PD, in others not), and asks / issues instructions about issues similar to this, and generally gets in about the Construction Phase as if the old roles had never changed. It sounds like your one might be similar.
Some quiet advice to your PD that you can't produce a CPP for work you have not been awarded might help, but in any case it's absolutely not their job to "accept" your Plan. The CPP is entirely your responsibility, subject to your client's (not PD's) view of its sufficiency.
One final thought - if your PD is inexperienced, is it possible they are confusing CPP with Health and Safety File?
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Role confusion issues aside, you surely can't be expected to produce a detailed plan for work you haven't been awarded.
Project specifics associated with the design proper should have been addressed at tender stage via a call and response process.
PD should be focussed on the design. Whereas CDM2015 requires the PD to support Client in fulfilling his statutory duties, some seem to be applying the "do it for me" (as CDM-C) approach.
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Paul have you been issued with a Pre Constructio Plan for the whole project? If not you need one so get back to the LD and request it.
The PCI will contain a description of the works and should include what comes after the demolition and remediation stages.
Further, as most others agree you need to be awarded the project before providing a CPP for anything not awarded.
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It is not a duty under CDM 2015 for the PD to formally review the CPP however we do ask for them and check them to ensure the PC acknowledges, intends to or has tackled any pre-construction hazards.
It is debatable that the CPP has to be reviewed at all however we do advise clients that they should as it provides evidence that they are complying with regulation 4 (2).
I appreciate there is a lot of debate around this matter but we do not act as PD without being the Client’s Agent and/or Project Manager to ensure that we do have control of the pre-construction phase. We inevitably get involved in the CPP to help Clients fulfil their duties as they are either not capable or unwilling to do this.
I would have no problem in receiving a CPP for just the works awarded and when or if the build goes ahead received a new one or updated one. On mega projects like Crossrail it is impossible to have a CPP for all the works prior to starting and in my experience the CPP is always being developed during construction.
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