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ADALE  
#1 Posted : 05 February 2016 09:25:54(UTC)
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ADALE

Good morning,

as part of a general activity assessment it has come to light an employee has long term, moderate to severe tinnitus. We carryout fabrication processes and elimination is simply impossible (to my limited knowledge at this moment in time).

I'm about to undergo some deeper research on wider management and control but in discussion with the employee the instant he wears any form of PPE (plugs or defenders) his tinnitus becomes much worse (or awareness of it) - he actually finds high levels of background noise more manageable than wearing PPE.

All things considered, I don't want to stray into legal obligation of enforcing through monitoring, contributory negligence, increased duty of care due to known vulnerability or joint tortfeasor as he came to us with this ill-health.

I am looking at implementing a short-medium term practical control and wondering if anyone had come across anything similar regarding PPE measures? I imagine there may be something that could transmit certain frequencies to ease the pain of tinnitus without exposing him to further environmental harm within the workshop - before I look at redesign and better segregation.

Occupational health is in soon for a range of surveillance including noise so I will seek advice there too. But in the mean time I would appreciate any experiences anyone has practically of this situation?

Thanks in advance
Ian Bell2  
#2 Posted : 05 February 2016 10:05:16(UTC)
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Ian Bell2

ADALE wrote:
Good morning,

I'm about to undergo some deeper research on wider management and control but in discussion with the employee the instant he wears any form of PPE (plugs or defenders) his tinnitus becomes much worse (or awareness of it) - he actually finds high levels of background noise more manageable than wearing PPE.



If the guy already has damaged hearing, there is no defence in exposing him to high noise levels which will probably make what hearing ability he still has, even worse. The employer needs to protect what hearing this guy has left - not make it worse by allowing exposure to high noise levels.

What's the standard case that used to be quoted in the NEBOSH Diploma? Paris v Stepney?
ADALE  
#3 Posted : 05 February 2016 10:14:37(UTC)
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ADALE

Hi Ian,

yes, I had Stepney Borough Council in mind when I mentioned increased duty of care. Thanks for the response, between the Director for HR and the worker involved, before my very recent appointment there was no address.

After my initial review there is now a focus on the activity, and STOP the employees exposure (there is nothing else for him to do within the company) has been returned as not an option. The legal status is know - but as I referred to in my question, I'm hoping for other to share experiences until the right professionals get back in touch.

Thanks for the response
James Robinson  
#4 Posted : 05 February 2016 10:42:12(UTC)
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James Robinson

The likely solution is that he could wear within his ear a hearing aid which has nosie cancelling properties (in effect plays frequencies that cancel the tinnitus) and on top of that wear some hearing protection.
Obviously quite specialised and Occ Health etc will need input.
But bottom line is that we cannot let him avoid wearing HP, as we will contribute to the decline of his already compromised hearing - as per posts above.
walker  
#5 Posted : 05 February 2016 11:01:01(UTC)
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walker

ADALE wrote:
Good morning,

We carryout fabrication processes and elimination is simply impossible (to my limited knowledge at this moment in time).



Clearly I dont know your company, but I've heard (excuse the pun) this numerous times and it just is not true.
With simple cheap measures I have advised fab shops and have been able to reduce noise levels by 3 fold.

For example:
One place had a turrent punch press that affected 30 men in the surrounding area, noise levels were way over the old action levels let alone the current ones. Replacing worn out tooling (which in paid for itself in quality uplifts) and building a 3 metre wide breeze block dividing wall. After that only the operative had to wear Ear defenders, such was the reduction.

If you were not so far away I'd give you on site advice so confident I am you could reduce the noise.
ADALE  
#6 Posted : 05 February 2016 11:16:06(UTC)
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ADALE

Interesting comments, thank you. The company started some large scale re-modelling and extension of offices and workshop before my arrival which is close to completion. Many of my review findings and subsequent action plan would have benefited from being brought in once a final layout had been designed, that said, hopefully I can influence the layout features due to be implemented soon.

My biggest difficulty so far is lack of specific industry experience, my focus is on the management systems, and when I push for best practice - I'm told it isn't reflective of real life scenarios. I'm trying to join the EEF as I understand they have great working relationships and events for their members, where I can see what actually goes on outside of our walls.

I have no difficulty in identifying cultural maturity stages of organisations implementing management systems - but I don't want to be seen as the bearer of bad of news, I want to lead from the front with input from others.

Thanks for everything so far and feel free to respond.
Ian Bell2  
#7 Posted : 05 February 2016 11:29:26(UTC)
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Ian Bell2

As you are a fabrication company - I have seen other fabrication companies make their own sound absorbing panels at minimal cost.

A framework, to hold a panel which has multiple holes on one side. Built into the 'sandwich' - the filling is a suitable sound absorbent foam etc.

The panel side with the holes in is positioned facing the noise source.

The panels can be mounted on castors/wheels etc, so they can be moved around.

Solutions are possible to reduce the noise transmission distance.
walker  
#8 Posted : 05 February 2016 11:30:43(UTC)
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walker

I don't think YOU can join the EEF but your company can.
But its certainly the way forward IMHO
They would provide you with expert help.
Ditto your welding problem

The trick (???) is to sell efficiency savings, rather than Safety costs.

The turrent punch press tooling being an example, purely on engineering and quality grounds it was a no brainer, the fact it quietened the machine was something I kept to myself until the boss could see (hear) for himself.
ADALE  
#9 Posted : 05 February 2016 11:39:44(UTC)
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ADALE

Brilliant again, and thanks - I'll look into it a little more regarding movable absorption panels we may be able to fabricate ourselves.

And apologies Walker, I meant the company. I spent sometime on the phone with their 'rep' yesterday who is more than helpful. To be frank, some more 'known' risks are managed better than others. Identifying savings, when what IMO is currently a significant lack of control, is difficult as there is no previous benchmark or costs being counted, other than arbitrary PPE provision which I wouldn't scrap going forward - so everything is initial outlay and telling someone they've got it wrong for a few years now is stretching the art of diplomacy.

But once again, grateful for your valid information.
walker  
#10 Posted : 05 February 2016 12:10:20(UTC)
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walker

Just thought of a mistake I made a couple of times:

Don't assume people understand how Decibel logarithmic scales work, particularly as we become more mathematically illiterate society

A reduction from 120 dB to 117dB will not seem worth bothering about, to maybe 95% of people. You need to spell it out in simple terms, even at the risk of offending those who know.
Kim Hedges  
#11 Posted : 06 February 2016 15:25:13(UTC)
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Kim Hedges

I do wish this website had vote up (likes) like facebook.

Walker - I'd have given you many many many likes. :)


I worked for a company that made vending machines. Part of the process required metal presses and punching to occur, then dry powder coating and heat curing. This generated noise & vibration.

I talked to all the people (the workers or stakeholders) and it became obvious early on that the noise could be stopped or at least seriously abated. The company response was to me poor to say the least, just PPE in the form of disposable earplugs and over glasses.

I found the company websites that produced the machines and discovered quickly that the noise & vibration could be stopped. Before I left the company, I spoke to the manager I reported to and gave them a very short report suggesting fixes. I got the distinct impression nothing was going to happen to fix it.

I find it very annoying that current legislation cannot be retrofitted to old machinery - please correct me if I'm wrong.
walker  
#12 Posted : 08 February 2016 08:37:05(UTC)
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walker

I'm blushing!

But thanks
ADALE  
#13 Posted : 15 February 2016 09:00:37(UTC)
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ADALE

Hi all,

Ian Bell, I've in boxed you, but I know myself the alerts don't always come through unless linked to emails. I'm interested in the screening options you referred to if you have a moment.

Thanks
Ian Bell2  
#14 Posted : 15 February 2016 15:24:00(UTC)
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Ian Bell2

Very much as previously mentioned.

From memory (10+yrs ago) - they were a light steel frame, mounted on wheels/castors. Maybe 3m long and 2.5m high.

Then steel sheet welded/bolted to one side of the frame. Then a layer of suitable foam/Rockwool (fire resistant!) sandwiched, maybe 100mm thick, between the steel sheet and the steel sheet on the other side of the frame.

The side facing the noise source must be drilled with lots of holes (or bought that way) to give a perforated effect across the complete face of the sheet. Obviously so the noise can then be absorbed by the foam/Rockwool that is sandwiched between the steel sheet.

I have no idea how effective/what amount of decibels they reduced the noise by, but if I re-call correctly they were reasonably effective.

Rockwool etc is often used for sound absorption. Weight wise, they were relatively easy to move around to suit the particular job being worked on.

Have a Google, see what you can find for the foam filler etc.
David Bannister  
#15 Posted : 15 February 2016 15:45:16(UTC)
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David Bannister

Out of interest I just did an internet search on "industrial noise absorbing panels" and there were many listings.

It would be very easy to buy some of these and find that little difference is made to noise levels as it is quite likely that the noise will not only be transmitted directly but also via reflections and via the structure itself.

An acoustic engineer specialising in industrial noise should be able to offer good advice. I'm sure a search engine can point to plenty of these too.
Ian Bell2  
#16 Posted : 15 February 2016 17:00:47(UTC)
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Ian Bell2

David is correct, you should really consider direct and indirect noise paths.

Screens such as these will mostly be useful against direct noise transmission paths.
martin1  
#17 Posted : 15 February 2016 17:09:10(UTC)
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martin1

Don't some ear defenders come fitted with radios or inputs for mp3 players?

Might be a controlled way of introducing some "noise" without hitting dangerous levels. Might distract from the tinnitus?
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