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Hi all, I will shortly be leaving the armed forces after 14 years. Throughout this time as an engineer I have constantly had to deal with health and safety issues and have built up a lot of experience. I have recently passed NEBOSH General and NEBOSH Fire. I am about to begin the NEBOSH Gen Diploma. I am hard working and dedicated to what I do and was hoping some one may have some pointers on how I could stand out to begin a career in the health and safety world. I am aware that I am one of many who hold these qualifications.
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Hi Reed, very important question - which service? This will flavor the replies you get :<) There are many vets in IOSH, background and qualifications, the ability to lead and teach, problem solve etc etc that service folk have are all valued by employers.
My advice is look inward first - think 5 years time what type of organisation would you want to work for and where. It may need a stepping stone approach. OSH covers the world of work - quite literally.
I strongly suggest you find the nearest branch/es and go along if you are not already.
There will be no shortage of advice (and banter) this is a second career for many of us - happy to talk more if you need and good luck. Steve
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As your other post with my comment has been deleted....
My advice remains to do something else rather than h&s. See the post re 'Australian guy relocating'
The Diploma is very expensive and is no guarantee of getting a job at the moment given the state of the UK economy and h&s jobs that pay rubbish salaries.
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Ian, thank you for you comment. Due to me putting my post in the wrong forum, IOSH admin moved it to this forum. I will read up on the post you stated. It is fortunate for me that although I have already paid for the diploma, I only had to pay a small amount towards it.
Steve hopefully serving in the British Army in the Corps of Royal Engineers will give me more favourable Replies. Again thank you for the advise.
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Sadly not.... there is only one service to be considered and it is the senior one....
Ok so thinking outside of weapon maintenance (unless you want to work in that field which is fine) any form of production engineering, vehicle maintenance, systems maintenance such as facilities, construction, civil engineering and bridge work spring to mind. Lets say your existing skills map against most of the competencies in these fields to a greater or lesser degree.
Now lets look at the service (civilian language from now on) sector such as public works and local authority (enforcement sector for example). Training organisations - especially safety skills (I went directly from the RN into confined space training because of my engineering and knowledge of SCBA as well as experience working inside vessels).
I have said to another poster; it is important to plan your future as it is unlikely you will fall into the ideal job in the ideal place with £M salary.
Your needs and aspirations need to be clear - once you have those go for it and don't take 'no' for an answer.
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As an ex uniform wearer as well - but a more refined service.....my advice is this.
What you did/what regiment you were in means very little. Badges on your arm mean very little. Don't believe the BS that the resettlement people tell you. At the moment I would imagine h&s is a very difficult sector to get into due to the economy etc. There is no recovery in most engineering/technical sectors. Plenty of people on the market looking for h&s roles.
I left 20yrs ago/20yrs h&s experience - you need to civilianise your approach to dealing with people - the army direct approach/abrasive approach will go down like a lead balloon to most 'civvies' who have no experience of dealing with Forces guys. Yes ex forces people have plenty of good selling point - to a spotty twenty something who is only interested in Facebook, isn't likely to be impressed by being 'ordered' to do something. Also understand the business/financial impacts of safety decisions you make - not really considered in the forces.
In my experience it takes 3-4 years to de-militarise.
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Thanks for clarifying Ian - I had the OP down as a long legged stiletto heeled redhead.... now I can see perfectly the stereotype squaddie... unbending and stuck in their ways....
I left the services... and was just ... well me really.... maybe that is where I went wrong? It took a weekend.
Oh, better get used to those spotty twenty somethings - the planet of work has lots of them and they cannot be thrown into perpetual jankers apparently... Oh hang on - don't the services have a few young'uns as well?
People - they are a funny lot.
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Hi Reed
Some good advice here. I too am ex - and per ardua ad astra led me to H&S! Engineering background was the key - all the peripheral stuff, fire, confined spaces, work at heights, using PPE , chemicals, fuels, fumes. General workshop safety - from handtools to horseplay - all went into my CV or interview responses, to translate the military world into a civilian one. It did take a while but before internet!
The actual work I did - long forgotten, but the confidence gave credibility - 'fake it til you make it' to some degree. Do look within, at your communication and learning style, do lots of reading around safety - not just the technical but how you can package, deliver, influence etc. There are some great blogs out there in the wide world.
Recommend you add training (or learning development as we like to say!) to your portfolio - you may already have that from the service, plus management, mentoring experience. Make most of it.
Understanding the role and developing the soft skills will give you a head start over all the other ex-service and ex-oil industry job seekers, but getting interviews is hard now, so the CV is critical. (Although many large organisations, councils etc. insist on time consuming electronic form filling - however, CV text to copy & paste helps).
I left in the middle of 80s recession - the Careers Officer (what a joke title!) advice was 'you won't get a job doing that here'. Good luck.
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Work is difficult to get, as you will see from other posts.
Your engineering back ground will put you ahead of the pack. Many companies like ex services because they have self discipline. As the Dip is costing you little I'd say go for it.
One tip: Google "security cleared jobs" to see a jobs market that is not available to many.
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As much as any newspaper is true - story in the Daily Telegraph today 10th Feb
'Economists warn of more pain ahead, with 'no clear indications that the rollercoaster of risks is likely to abate'. i.e. the economy is still poor and associated job creation.
So people still think h&s jobs are easy to come by in the general economy. H&S specific positions within many companies are still often seen as non-essential / addition to overheads - despite the recognition that h&s law has to be complied with.
Still think its worthwhile spending hard earned money to train as a h&s specialist?
Meanwhile in George's small world, jobs and the economy are fine.
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I agree with most of the above comments but will say that this applies to anybody who thinks that Health and Safety is a stand alone industry / role.
You can get yourself "qualified" to degree level and will still not know a thing about occupational safety. Its not what you learn from books / courses. It is how you talk to people. Our role is to encourage people to look after themselves and consider they are doing. I started in an high risk industry with no qualifications (I started my NEBSOH cert three months into the role). But I had worked in that industry for 12 years so I could speak the language, understand the difficulties and problems that people had to overcome. I work yet again in a high risk activity but a new one to me but I have 20 years industrial experience. I spend most of my time asking questions and getting people to show me what and why they are doing. I personally think that our "transferrable skills" are limited and a lot of CMIOSH folk believe their own hype a bit too much.
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