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linda xc		#1 Posted : 18 February 2016 10:19:20(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		hi all can anyone point me in the direction for the supplier of fire retardant spray for use on stage clothing - the supplier would obviously be cheaper... thanks in advance. Linda
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Invictus		#2 Posted : 18 February 2016 11:08:58(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Try a web search
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linda xc		#3 Posted : 18 February 2016 11:11:59(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		thanks Einstein.
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Invictus		#4 Posted : 18 February 2016 11:26:24(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Your'e More than welcome! saves someone else doing it for you.
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Invictus		#5 Posted : 18 February 2016 11:32:17(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		There is a company that claim 'They spray on site and cover the whole of the UK' it is either a very good product or they are careless, so no need to have anything fire proofed because they have covered the whole of the UK, How thoughtful!
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walker		#6 Posted : 18 February 2016 11:36:46(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Invictus wrote: Your'e More than welcome! saves someone else doing it for you. That may come back and bite you in the bum one day ;-0 Unless you know it all and never ask for help here.
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Invictus		#7 Posted : 18 February 2016 11:40:22(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		walker wrote: Invictus wrote: Your'e More than welcome! saves someone else doing it for you. That may come back and bite you in the bum one day ;-0 Unless you know it all and never ask for help here. I ask for help but somethings you can find easily without asking. And if people don't want to help me that's fine, I am hardly going to curl up in a corner and cry.
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peterL		#8 Posted : 18 February 2016 11:49:47(UTC)
Rank: Forum user		Invictus, that stuff that covers the whole of the U.K. is a very good product, but somewhat hampered in its effectiveness, as it can only fireproof the outside of buildings and lots of fires generally start inside! Pete,
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Invictus		#9 Posted : 18 February 2016 11:57:30(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		peterL wrote: Invictus, that stuff that covers the whole of the U.K. is a very good product, but somewhat hampered in its effectiveness, as it can only fireproof the outside of buildings and lots of fires generally start inside! Pete, I left the door and windows open, always one step ahead! If we have a fire now I am going to sue them for false advertising.
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gramsay		#10 Posted : 18 February 2016 13:31:47(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		OP, I used to use products called things like Flambar and (I think) Protex-it (?) but this was some years ago. You'd be better asking this question on the H&S board at: http://www.blue-room.org.uk/ This is a great technical resource aimed at theatre, but covering most types of live event. Also: many reputable suppliers can manufacture items incorporating flame retardance (eg drapes, etc). I'm not in this industry any more, but I hope this helps - good luck.
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peterL		#11 Posted : 18 February 2016 13:33:39(UTC)
Rank: Forum user		And I put all my furniture and belongings outside to take advantage, but they werent there when I came home - maybe it's where I live or they disolved in acid rain hey ho! Pete,
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firesafety101		#12 Posted : 18 February 2016 13:36:00(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		The stuff invictus mentioned should save many lives as there will not be any more fires if we can get lthem to "cover the whole of the UK" as he says. Just as well really as, according to Invictus the firefighters are always playing snooker. Methinks he is a bit of a smart Alec ha ha
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linda xc		#13 Posted : 18 February 2016 15:33:00(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		hi all We have used flambar previously, but the distributer is out of stock, so here was the opportunity to go direct to source and see what alternatives are out there. The search gave me the distributors not manufacturers - Flambar does tend to smell a bit when the dancers get sweaty. On inspiration I looked for the msds which has given me more info (but it is knowing the name of a product and getting a recommendation that helps not to get a rip off mix). Afterall if things go wrong with fire, they can really go wrong - and in front of a fee paying crowd, everyone also knows it went wrong! thanks Linda
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stevie40		#14 Posted : 18 February 2016 16:07:48(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Could be the urea in it that smells. Better not tell the dancers it contains pee. This appears to be the MSDS for the product http://www.fireprotectio...-sheetMainstagespray.pdf but the website for Mainstage Presentation Technology Ltd appears to be down. If the firm is no longer trading then it might explain why your stockist has no stock.
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stevie40		#15 Posted : 18 February 2016 16:14:51(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Hmmm just realised that MSDS was for a different product (same application though). Found one for Flamebar produced by Flamebar Ltd but according to Company Check there were dissolved in 2000. I reckon you could struggle to find a manufacturer so buy the product where you can get it.
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Invictus		#16 Posted : 19 February 2016 07:41:05(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		FireSafety101 wrote: The stuff invictus mentioned should save many lives as there will not be any more fires if we can get lthem to "cover the whole of the UK" as he says. Just as well really as, according to Invictus the firefighters are always playing snooker. Methinks he is a bit of a smart Alec ha ha It was the company who stated it, not me! I was just happy to pass the information on to my fellow professionals. Ok snooker is a bit harsh, I meant pool.
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gramsay		#17 Posted : 19 February 2016 10:28:12(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Linda XC wrote: Flambar does tend to smell a bit when the dancers get sweaty. Hi Linda, this is exactly the sort of question that the Blue Room is great at answering - have a try over there and you'll likely get help from people who deal wit these sort of problems on a day-to-day basis. Good luck
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Invictus		#18 Posted : 19 February 2016 10:41:09(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		gramsay wrote: Linda XC wrote: Flambar does tend to smell a bit when the dancers get sweaty. Hi Linda, this is exactly the sort of question that the Blue Room is great at answering - have a try over there and you'll likely get help from people who deal wit these sort of problems on a day-to-day basis. Good luck You can get the same answers from a web search!
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firesafety101		#19 Posted : 19 February 2016 11:03:39(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Seems to me that some people are advising products that are no longer available. Needs more fact checking before rapid response to requests for help. Sending people down blind alleys on wild goosee chases. By the way Invictus snooker and pool are available these days on Community Fire Stations and members of the general public can enjoy facilities such as Gym, meeting rooms etc. Some Stations are now shared with Ambulance crews and their vehicle/s. This is the way forward. Since my retirement I have my own 'pool', well only a small one heated to 37 degrees with jets, fountains and lights. Forgive me if I don't respond quickly in future, you will know why.
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Invictus		#20 Posted : 19 February 2016 11:08:27(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		FireSafety101 wrote: Seems to me that some people are advising products that are no longer available. Needs more fact checking before rapid response to requests for help. Sending people down blind alleys on wild goosee chases. By the way Invictus snooker and pool are available these days on Community Fire Stations and members of the general public can enjoy facilities such as Gym, meeting rooms etc. Some Stations are now shared with Ambulance crews and their vehicle/s. This is the way forward. Since my retirement I have my own 'pool', well only a small one heated to 37 degrees with jets, fountains and lights. Forgive me if I don't respond quickly in future, you will know why. Not reassuring they are sharing, with all the sleeping going on, who keeps dixie!
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pl53		#21 Posted : 19 February 2016 11:13:42(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		"Methinks he is a bit of a smart Alec ha ha" No, only he thinks that
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Invictus		#22 Posted : 19 February 2016 11:18:59(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		PL53 wrote: "Methinks he is a bit of a smart Alec ha ha" No, only he thinks that Utter rubbish, but of course if you work in safety always be a misery!
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pl53		#23 Posted : 19 February 2016 11:25:42(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Try giving a straight answer then
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Invictus		#24 Posted : 19 February 2016 11:27:18(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		PL53 wrote: Try giving a straight answer then I gave a straight answer to all the posts I replied too! Professional to the end!
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johnmurray		#25 Posted : 19 February 2016 12:35:36(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Linda XC wrote: hi all can anyone point me in the direction for the supplier of fire retardant spray for use on stage clothing - the supplier would obviously be cheaper... thanks in advance. Linda http://www.fireproofspray.co.uk/
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gramsay		#26 Posted : 19 February 2016 14:48:05(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Invictus wrote: gramsay wrote: Linda XC wrote: Flambar does tend to smell a bit when the dancers get sweaty. Hi Linda, this is exactly the sort of question that the Blue Room is great at answering - have a try over there and you'll likely get help from people who deal wit these sort of problems on a day-to-day basis. Good luck You can get the same answers from a web search! Not sure why this has all gone excitable, but ok... Linda asked a good question. I assume she's asking here because the advice of people who may actually understand her question is worth something to her, rather than just whatever random stuff Google has thrown her way. Both of these are different, both useful. I spent nearly 20 years working on live events in many places. Some of the specific ways in which products get used in that industry make personal experience invaluable in helping others, and (usually) people here are more than happy to share if they can help. None of us need to police this place - if we don't care for a question just don't answer it.
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Invictus		#27 Posted : 19 February 2016 20:34:51(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		We used this stuff were I worked, little was understood about the effekt washing had on the efectiveness of the product.
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johnmurray		#28 Posted : 20 February 2016 08:34:30(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		http://www.flints.co.uk/pdffiles/flamebar.pdf The MSDS seems a little vague about contents....things like "remove contaminated clothing" seem a bit strange, considering you are soaking/spraying the clothing in the product....
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