RayRapp wrote:Resisted posting anything on this so far...I don't think leaving the EU will have any material effect on h&s for the foreseeable future. After all, the UK were at the forefront of h&s before we got entangled with the EU directives and regulations.
As for my own personal preference for 'out' or 'in' - undecided as yet. However I don't think Cameron got a good deal from EU leaders. The number one priority for me is to restrict those coming into the UK. If that means leaving the EU then so be it. I suspect the vote will be close and like the Scottish referendum the result will be the status quo. Those who are borderline and some in the 'out' camp will get cold feet when it comes to the crunch.
Cameron is one of the EU leaders, or maybe you meant "other EU leaders"?
He didn't get any sort of deal, he got cold tea bags to re-use to save a penny or two.
Any preferential treatment for one state would translate into other states saying: "why them and not us" (It already is. And, even if we vote to stay IN, our intransigence almost certainly means that other states will start insisting for better treatment for themselves)
It's all smoke-and-mirrors for Dave.
OK, so we've departed the EU. I'll assume it is an abrupt departure, even though it certainly won't be, and we just slam the door leaving the lights on. So, we cannot trade. Customs stops it all, we have no tariff agreements (with each member state)....that would hit manufacturing. Services would be ok, their trade tends to be very transportable, especially financial. They are already well into planning for that. And it is not all roses for non-EU countries we trade with, since there are UK/EU agreements concerning trade with non-EU countries.
EU directives would stay, they are enacted into law as UK laws. That would take some unravelling (I'm sure the not-so-civilised-UK-civil-service is already on top of that). EU regulations is another thorny problem, since a large proportion of them are concerning safety/trade/standards, and are international in nature (via the EU, not FROM the EU).
Immigration would halt immediately. Emigres from the UK living in EU countries would have to hasten to establish residency or return (to a country where many will have to newly establish themselves as "UK resident" (it is separate from being a UK passport holder)).
In the real world, which I live in, although I am fairly sure that BoJo/Et-Al do not, we would HAVE to join another organisation that already had the necessary trading agreements in place (The Norway Option). In which place FREEDOM OF MOVEMENT WOULD REMAIN.
Anyway, I have breakfast to make and eat, and this argument is going nowhere, either on here or in the country. The information to make an informed decision does not exist in an unadulterated form. The press are not neutral, and cannot be trusted (owned, as they are, by tax-avoiding foreign-resident multi-billionaire sociopaths).
WiKi is unreliable as it can be co-opted and edited by those with a personal agenda.
TV?
See "sociopaths"
Whatever happens, our "elected representatives" (read; selfish personal fortune seekers) will always blame others for everything.
To paraphrase: We are lions led by lice.