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Redders  
#1 Posted : 01 March 2016 09:12:52(UTC)
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Redders

Whilst seeming obvious that CDM 2015 should apply to resurfacing of a private car park, I can't see how a car park can be defined as a 'structure'. The car park is accessed directly from a public road. Am I missing something?
Alfasev  
#2 Posted : 01 March 2016 09:20:31(UTC)
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Alfasev

CDM applies firstly applies to construction work and includes work on a structure.
Redders  
#3 Posted : 01 March 2016 09:26:35(UTC)
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Redders

I know that but how is a car park deemed to be a structure under the definition outlined in the regulations.
Alfasev  
#4 Posted : 01 March 2016 09:35:03(UTC)
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Alfasev

I am not sure I am getting your point, but I would not consider a carpark a structure but it does not have to be a structure for CDM to apply.
IanDakin  
#5 Posted : 01 March 2016 09:50:20(UTC)
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IanDakin

CDM 2015 applies to all construction work. For maintenance, if it is mechanical or engineering in nature, then CDM does not apply, but if you are using construction skills and materials, then it does. Therefore re-surfacing a car park is considered a construction project. You may consider this crazy, as you will need to do a pre-constitution phase and a CPP rather than just employ a safe contractor with correct RAMS, but, the HSE have been clear.
Redders  
#6 Posted : 01 March 2016 10:22:58(UTC)
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Redders

Thanks both. Perhaps just getting bogged down by the definition of construction work in the regulations which 'means the carrying out of any building, civil engineering or engineering construction work ...'. It does go on to provide examples which mainly refer to a 'structure'. So, if a car park is not a structure then the resurfacing of it must be building, civil engineering or engineering construction. I'd been asked for advice by a colleague who had been told by the resurfacing contractor that there was no need for him to produce a CPP because the work wasn't covered by CDM. Just wanted to be able to provide evidence.
Moss18458  
#7 Posted : 01 March 2016 10:28:20(UTC)
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Moss18458

just remember, proportionate to the risks - need not be a substantial set of cdm documentation.
firesafety101  
#8 Posted : 01 March 2016 11:06:24(UTC)
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firesafety101

Multi storey or underground car parks are steuctures, but probably not in your case. Resurfacing works can expose drains, electrical cables and the likes so CDM would provide a reason for looking at stuff you may not without it. It probably takes longer to discuss the documents than drawing them up.
JHF  
#9 Posted : 01 March 2016 12:37:01(UTC)
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JHF

Agree with all of the above, the key word is as above proportionate, a "simple" document is all thats needed.
peter gotch  
#10 Posted : 01 March 2016 12:42:44(UTC)
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peter gotch

It's a road or something similar. Therefore a structure, therefore CDM applies. Paperwork concise, focused and proportionate to risk.
Ron Hunter  
#11 Posted : 01 March 2016 13:22:13(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Your friend's employer needs to review his whole PQQ, tender and contract award process. They have failed a CDM Client duty. No doubt the welfare provision will be first rate............................
SP900308  
#12 Posted : 01 March 2016 15:37:58(UTC)
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SP900308

Redders, sounds relatively straight forward. Takes me back to resurfacing of the Kingsway and Queensway Tunnels (Liverpool / Wirral) a couple of years back... which were not quite so straight forward! Simon
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