Rank: Forum user
|
Whilst seeming obvious that CDM 2015 should apply to resurfacing of a private car park, I can't see how a car park can be defined as a 'structure'. The car park is accessed directly from a public road. Am I missing something?
|
|
|
|
Rank: Super forum user
|
CDM applies firstly applies to construction work and includes work on a structure.
|
|
|
|
Rank: Forum user
|
I know that but how is a car park deemed to be a structure under the definition outlined in the regulations.
|
|
|
|
Rank: Super forum user
|
I am not sure I am getting your point, but I would not consider a carpark a structure but it does not have to be a structure for CDM to apply.
|
|
|
|
Rank: Super forum user
|
CDM 2015 applies to all construction work. For maintenance, if it is mechanical or engineering in nature, then CDM does not apply, but if you are using construction skills and materials, then it does.
Therefore re-surfacing a car park is considered a construction project.
You may consider this crazy, as you will need to do a pre-constitution phase and a CPP rather than just employ a safe contractor with correct RAMS, but, the HSE have been clear.
|
|
|
|
Rank: Forum user
|
Thanks both.
Perhaps just getting bogged down by the definition of construction work in the regulations which 'means the carrying out of any building, civil engineering or engineering construction work ...'. It does go on to provide examples which mainly refer to a 'structure'. So, if a car park is not a structure then the resurfacing of it must be building, civil engineering or engineering construction.
I'd been asked for advice by a colleague who had been told by the resurfacing contractor that there was no need for him to produce a CPP because the work wasn't covered by CDM. Just wanted to be able to provide evidence.
|
|
|
|
Rank: Forum user
|
just remember, proportionate to the risks - need not be a substantial set of cdm documentation.
|
|
|
|
Rank: Super forum user
|
Multi storey or underground car parks are steuctures, but probably not in your case.
Resurfacing works can expose drains, electrical cables and the likes so CDM would provide a reason for looking at stuff you may not without it.
It probably takes longer to discuss the documents than drawing them up.
|
|
|
|
Rank: Forum user
|
Agree with all of the above, the key word is as above proportionate, a "simple" document is all thats needed.
|
|
|
|
Rank: Super forum user
|
It's a road or something similar. Therefore a structure, therefore CDM applies.
Paperwork concise, focused and proportionate to risk.
|
|
|
|
Rank: Super forum user
|
Your friend's employer needs to review his whole PQQ, tender and contract award process. They have failed a CDM Client duty.
No doubt the welfare provision will be first rate............................
|
|
|
|
Rank: Super forum user
|
Redders, sounds relatively straight forward.
Takes me back to resurfacing of the Kingsway and Queensway Tunnels (Liverpool / Wirral) a couple of years back... which were not quite so straight forward!
Simon
|
|
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.