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alan w houghton  
#1 Posted : 01 March 2016 16:35:59(UTC)
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alan w houghton

As principle contractor the client has asked if we can also take on the role as principle designer
I believe as long as we have the knowledge etc.. under CDM 2015 we can but not to sure
Anyone come across this before ?
paulw71  
#2 Posted : 01 March 2016 16:50:05(UTC)
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paulw71

You are correct. It is permitted under the regulations.
RayRapp  
#3 Posted : 02 March 2016 08:21:44(UTC)
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RayRapp

As Paul above has writen, this arrangement is perfectly acceptable and in many cases makes good sense. For relatively small works, or perhaps a D&B project, the PC is the best person to undertake the role of PD.
Sweep  
#4 Posted : 02 March 2016 08:48:33(UTC)
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Sweep

Perfectly acceptable and as Ray says good sense in a lot of instances.

The HSE are in favour of contractual arrangements aligning with CDM processes - it would be a good idea to check that you have the contractual ability to check and challenge design briefs / constructability before you attempt to begin the construction phase.

Obviously if design continues into the construction phase (as it generally does) then these processes/contractual arrangements remain relevant.
JohnW  
#5 Posted : 02 March 2016 10:42:10(UTC)
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JohnW

Principal


(Alan, just saying, looks more professional when you get name/spelling correct in your documentation)
gramsay  
#6 Posted : 02 March 2016 10:59:03(UTC)
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gramsay

We have a homes building division which is restructuring internal technical resources, and from the next project will be Client, PC and PD. As long as there are proper internal arrangements to manage and communicate design risks I think this is going to lead to better control.

Biggest risk I see is if the organisation doesn't properly buy in to the "independence" needed in carrying out PD duties - will completely change how we audit as well.
firesafety101  
#7 Posted : 02 March 2016 11:13:55(UTC)
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firesafety101

JohnW wrote:
Principal


(Alan, just saying, looks more professional when you get name/spelling correct in your documentation)


There is always one ready to let all know he is a smart ass.

Problem is there may be a perfectly good reason for not being able to write the correct spelling. Dyslexia for example. I have that and object to people pulling me up for spelling errors.

The security image letters really screw me up and I never get them right first time no matter how hard I try.

I know someone who types using his big toe because of his disability and he occasionally gets it wrong.

Hey. Be careful out there.




JohnW  
#8 Posted : 02 March 2016 11:27:42(UTC)
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JohnW

Well, FS, I don't think I deserved a rant there :o/

I'm sure Alan can reply to say whether or not my posting was helpful.

And, your mail sounds to me like YOU are letting us know YOU are a smart ass.

Just saying.
Ron Hunter  
#9 Posted : 02 March 2016 12:54:30(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

FireSafety101 wrote:
Dyslexia for example. I have that and object to people pulling me up for spelling errors.


That's all very well, but contracts have been won and lost on the strength of grammar and spelling.
alan w houghton  
#10 Posted : 03 March 2016 09:22:59(UTC)
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alan w houghton

I don't mind being pulled over spelling worse things in life
Please don't all get upset with each other at the end of the day we are all trying to ensure the safety on site and ensure we comply with legislation
Going forward at least I will be checking my spelling in the future
Have a good Friday and thanks for comments received I have asked the client to provide his own Principal Designer in the first instance lets see what he comes back with
Thanks

watcher  
#11 Posted : 03 March 2016 10:43:24(UTC)
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watcher

FireSafety101 wrote:
JohnW wrote:
Principal


(Alan, just saying, looks more professional when you get name/spelling correct in your documentation)


There is always one ready to let all know he is a smart ass.

Problem is there may be a perfectly good reason for not being able to write the correct spelling. Dyslexia for example. I have that and object to people pulling me up for spelling errors.

The security image letters really screw me up and I never get them right first time no matter how hard I try.

I know someone who types using his big toe because of his disability and he occasionally gets it wrong.

Hey. Be careful out there.







Here we go again

Of course it matters. As Ron says, contracts can and have been won and lost on less. In addition, Alan has been very gracious in his response.

I know people with dyslexic who despair whenever their condition is used as an excuse for poor spelling.

By the way roll = tumble - or bread product
role = function or part assumed or played

HTH
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