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firesafety101		#1 Posted : 16 March 2016 11:42:57(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		I once knew a Chinese Chippy owner who threw a fire extinguisher into his burning shop expecting it to extinguish the fire. He and his chip shop are long gone now but perhaps he knew something we didn't at the time. http://uk.businessinside...ires-extinguisher-2016-3
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jwk		#2 Posted : 16 March 2016 11:50:31(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		$120 a throw (quite literally)... Still, if I ignore the Yorkshireman in me that looks like a brilliant idea, John
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WatsonD		#3 Posted : 16 March 2016 11:53:43(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		That depends on how him and his chip shop happen to be long gone now
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Alan Haynes		#4 Posted : 16 March 2016 12:10:46(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Not a new concept - the Victorians had something similar http://www.bbc.co.uk/ahi...s/HqIKMBwbSM2Hxf2EXPCBRA
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kevkel		#5 Posted : 16 March 2016 13:08:54(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Were there not 7 Thai's killed recently because of a fire extinguishing medium? Maybe not the best source of equipment methinks!
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jwk		#6 Posted : 16 March 2016 13:23:19(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		And what happens when you punt it at the blaze, it misses, and goes rolling merrily off down the hall on the wrong side of the fire??? John
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achrn		#7 Posted : 16 March 2016 13:40:23(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		It's not a new invention. You can buy similar in Japan. Search google for SAT119 and there are numerous videos of Japanese people setting fire to plywood boxes and then chucking a bottle in and the flames go out. It looks an excellent solution for people that regularly have 1.5m wide and high boxes with spilled paraffin catching fire, but I'm a little sceptical about the fact that you don't see it on any other sort of fire than a small enclosed box.
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jwk		#8 Posted : 16 March 2016 13:43:40(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		achrn wrote: It looks an excellent solution for people that regularly have 1.5m wide and high boxes with spilled paraffin catching fire, but I'm a little sceptical about the fact that you don't see it on any other sort of fire than a small enclosed box. That had crossed my mind as well.... John
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douglas.dick		#9 Posted : 16 March 2016 13:50:16(UTC)
Rank: Forum user		Looks like another tool that would be useful in some instances, however, there is a danger that it could be thrown through the flames and out the other side. Also the fire would need to be allowed to be big enough for it to work.
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simon73		#10 Posted : 16 March 2016 14:15:33(UTC)
Rank: Forum user		Some frankly idiotic examples on this video. This looks like an excellent extinguisher of flames but as with all firefighting media there are 'dos and don'ts' - A man in t shirt and jeans 'places' the ball into a burning car!! This media offers no post fire protection i.e. if there is still fuel + heat +oxygen in sufficient quantities once the 'cloud' has been dispersed by the wind there will be a re ignition , that is if the car does not explode in your face as you are deploying the ball in the first place. Get out, get the fire brigade out
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WatsonD		#11 Posted : 16 March 2016 15:53:00(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		I understand that new legislation is being proposed to make fire sprinkler systems mandatory, something that Wales leads the country on http://www.legislation.gov.uk/mwa/2011/3/section/1
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grim72		#12 Posted : 16 March 2016 16:34:47(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		I think I prefer the thought of developing sound waves to putting out fire - still early stages but can see the potential of what these guys are doing: http://www.wimp.com/fire-sound/ Not sure if it has developed any further since I first saw this a couple of years ago?
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chris42		#13 Posted : 16 March 2016 17:00:20(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		grim72 wrote: I think I prefer the thought of developing sound waves to putting out fire - still early stages but can see the potential of what these guys are doing: http://www.wimp.com/fire-sound/ Not sure if it has developed any further since I first saw this a couple of years ago? On TV last night - "its not Rocket Science", it still has a way to go. Chris
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stillp		#14 Posted : 16 March 2016 19:36:55(UTC)
Rank: Forum user		WatsonD wrote: I understand that new legislation is being proposed to make fire sprinkler systems mandatory, something that Wales leads the country on http://www.legislation.gov.uk/mwa/2011/3/section/1 Surely that'll be counter-productive on chip pan fires?
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Invictus		#15 Posted : 17 March 2016 07:54:31(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		stillp wrote: WatsonD wrote: I understand that new legislation is being proposed to make fire sprinkler systems mandatory, something that Wales leads the country on http://www.legislation.gov.uk/mwa/2011/3/section/1 Surely that'll be counter-productive on chip pan fires? I thought Scotland introduced this as mandatory for new residential care homes!
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WatsonD		#16 Posted : 17 March 2016 09:01:06(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		stillp wrote: WatsonD wrote: I understand that new legislation is being proposed to make fire sprinkler systems mandatory, something that Wales leads the country on http://www.legislation.gov.uk/mwa/2011/3/section/1 Surely that'll be counter-productive on chip pan fires? Fire sprinkler systems don't only have to spray water. Though I have only seen the water charged systems in the UK.
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Invictus		#17 Posted : 17 March 2016 09:02:37(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		WatsonD wrote: stillp wrote: WatsonD wrote: I understand that new legislation is being proposed to make fire sprinkler systems mandatory, something that Wales leads the country on http://www.legislation.gov.uk/mwa/2011/3/section/1 Surely that'll be counter-productive on chip pan fires? Fire sprinkler systems don't only have to spray water. Though I have only seen the water charged systems in the UK. What about the foam systems above the fat fryers in kitchens/
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WatsonD		#18 Posted : 17 March 2016 09:06:48(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		I think they also have a gaseous version for server rooms
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firesafety101		#19 Posted : 17 March 2016 12:02:23(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		How many people still use chip pans these days. I know there are some but with oven chips/fries, other means of cooking chips virtually fat free (I have one) no problem with fire risks. A domestic dwelling with fully installed sprinklers will not have water heads in the kitchen. Rate of rise head detector maybe, warning occupants of the developing fire.
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WatsonD		#20 Posted : 17 March 2016 13:32:38(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		FireSafety101 wrote: How many people still use chip pans these days. I know there are some but with oven chips/fries, other means of cooking chips virtually fat free (I have one) no problem with fire risks. A domestic dwelling with fully installed sprinklers will not have water heads in the kitchen. Rate of rise head detector maybe, warning occupants of the developing fire. I think you may be wrong. Have a look at this: https://vimeo.com/122407534
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firesafety101		#21 Posted : 17 March 2016 14:16:17(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Thank you WatsonD, I always knew if you fired enough water at burning oil you would contain the fire and it would eventually die. Problem is when the burning oil is a very high level in the pan and the water causes a slop over. If that happens I would expect the sprinkler to contain the fire anyway. Good video.
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