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baal  
#1 Posted : 11 April 2016 15:47:48(UTC)
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baal

Hi All, I am looking for a bit of clarity. My organisation has been awarded a multimillion pound contract that falls under CDM. Is there any issue with us appointing another to fulfil the obligation of Principal Contractor? The cash route is Client, my organisation (who will be working onsite) and then hopefully, the Principal. Many thanks in advance.
RayRapp  
#2 Posted : 11 April 2016 15:56:50(UTC)
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RayRapp

Not really sure I understand the question...the client appoints the PC on the basis they are competent to fulfill the role. All other contractors on site will work under the umbrella of the PC.
Ron Hunter  
#3 Posted : 11 April 2016 16:00:03(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Possible. e.g. A Local Authority Project is tendered and won by a PPP bidder who proposes as part of that bid to use the services of another to fulfil the PC role. For me the issue is more about contractual transparency. The client (the one with the money) should be made well aware of these proposed arrangements at tender stage.
baal  
#4 Posted : 11 April 2016 16:14:07(UTC)
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baal

The client is aware and is happy for the proposed arrangement to be implemented. I just want to make sure there are no hidden caveats/regs we should/need to be complying with.
boblewis  
#5 Posted : 11 April 2016 16:40:37(UTC)
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boblewis

Just remember that it is you who is subletting the PC role and he is thus you under the terms of the main contract. This means that the ultimate responsibility is yours as it is you that the client has appointed as PC. If you want to avoid the responsibilities then the client has to make the PC appointment at which point you become subject to his PC rules and requirements
Ron Hunter  
#6 Posted : 11 April 2016 21:23:17(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Not so. In my example, the PPP bidder can be elected as client of CDM purposes by agreement, thereafter appointing his on PC.
boblewis  
#7 Posted : 12 April 2016 07:38:37(UTC)
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boblewis

Ron PPP was and is always a tricky one because I see the initial PPP agreement as more of a financial instrument than a construction contract. Still after the Edinburgh schools debacle perhaps the PPP type arrangements could be doomed. Just how poor is the management line when brick ties appear not t have been installed during construction. Making management arrangements more complex is always a possible recipe for disaster
MEden380  
#8 Posted : 12 April 2016 11:13:02(UTC)
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MEden380

Baal If the contract awarded to your company is Construction related (and not a PPP or PFI) you are the Principal contractor. You can not sub contract your duties under the current CDM Regs as the Client can no longer delegate their duties by appointing an agent as they could in the past. The Client appoints a Principal contractor who will then appoint subcontractors (who may well be specified by the client). Why would you want to work under a PC? if you are the sole contractor
Alfasev  
#9 Posted : 12 April 2016 11:19:03(UTC)
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Alfasev

If the Client has appointed you as Principal Contractor then you cannot contract out of those duties. If you then delegate those duties, which is not prohibited to another contractor if they fail to fulfil those duties you will be held liable. If you are not deemed as a Client then you simply cannot appoint the Principal Contractor. It does raise the question of competence. If you were not capable of acting as a Principal Contractor the Client should not have appointed you. However your scenario is not that unusual and I am guessing that you can show competence as you are functioning as a consortium with a contractor. It is important that you ensure the right management structure and procedures are in place.
peter gotch  
#10 Posted : 12 April 2016 13:27:24(UTC)
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peter gotch

To support Ron, this happens a lot on modern forms of procurement.
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