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WatsonD  
#1 Posted : 12 April 2016 12:14:04(UTC)
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WatsonD

Just been completing PQQ paperwork from a new company and came across the question What percentage of your organisation have been inducted into the IIF culture? A quick check with Mr Google confirms this to stand for: Incident and Injury Free and IIF is a registered trademark. Anyone heard of this? If so any feedback on whether this is valuable.
A Kurdziel  
#2 Posted : 12 April 2016 12:58:02(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Sounds to me like another money making racket-sign up with our 'registered' scheme and we'll give you a clean bill of health for a fee. No that this is an American scheme, so what relevance it is to the UK , I don't know.
jontyjohnston  
#3 Posted : 12 April 2016 16:27:50(UTC)
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jontyjohnston

Incident & Injury Free was a concept sold to Bovis Lend Lease by an American change management consultancy. The Vision is great.....incident & injury free construction. To make it work BLL had to push it down their supply chain and I do mean PUSH. It got noticed by some of the other Major Contractors and they went the same way. I brought them into my (then) employer and they did a 3 hour sell, full of "Americanisms". After they left my executive asked "what on earth was that about"!! Then we say their proposed fee for an IIF intervention and the tone of the language changed again, sure you know what I mean. Striving for a culture where we don't accept injuries as the norm in construction or any other sector is laudable and worthwhile, but IIF has been shown to be unsustainable. I would stay clear. J
Palmer20061  
#4 Posted : 12 April 2016 16:31:17(UTC)
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Palmer20061

Differing main contractors have differing behavioural type schemes and all give them names (not surprisingly) such as IIF, IFE, target zero....... I can only guess your PQQ relates to one who's scheme is called IIF (as you say Injury & Incident Free) - if you've worked for them before you'll have some that have undergone it, if not you probably won't.
WatsonD  
#5 Posted : 13 April 2016 08:26:37(UTC)
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WatsonD

Thank you for your replies. This is the first I had heard of it and I didn't want to dismiss it off hand before finding out more. Looking on the web I couldn't find out much at all. This is a new company (to us) were working with, and the contract is very small so there is no way we would invest in this, unless it really was worth it. From your responses that's definitely not the case.
walker  
#6 Posted : 13 April 2016 09:17:39(UTC)
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walker

I plan to trade mark "safe system of work" and sit back while the money rolls in. How on earth can someone trademark a common phrase like that? I did wonder why I had not heard it used recently; now I know.
chris42  
#7 Posted : 13 April 2016 09:28:55(UTC)
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chris42

IIF is a conditional expression used in Visual Basic (VB) programming, been around for years ! So don't see How you can make it a trade mark. Walker to make sure nobody can get around your trade mark my may also want to consider "Safe operating procedure", just to be on the safe side :0) Chris
WatsonD  
#8 Posted : 13 April 2016 11:24:48(UTC)
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WatsonD

To be honest I'm far from an expert, but having a trademark doesn't give you exclusive rights to use words that no-one else can. I think its more about context, etc. Here's the registration: https://www.ipo.gov.uk/t.../Results/1/UK00002536053
RiskyBusiness  
#9 Posted : 14 April 2016 10:27:17(UTC)
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RiskyBusiness

IIF is used by the marine company that I currently contract with. As with many of these schemes, it is as good or bad as the level of ongoing management commitment. From an HSE perspective, at this particular organization, it helps to move 'ownership' of HSE, from the HSE function to line management; senior management are always present at the induction sessions, and the session facilitator is one drawn from the rota of managers from all departments/functions (finance, facilities, engineering, procurement,vessel management, etc.) who have been trained via train-the-trainer sessions. HSE neither run the sessions nor attend the sessions (other than when first employed). The content has been made specific for the sites and nature of the work that the company undertakes. As previously noted, it is a proprietary product from; http://www.jmj.com/services/safety
jamesgbryce  
#10 Posted : 03 January 2018 23:25:03(UTC)
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jamesgbryce

The first I heard of IIF was at my current place of work, which is a Canadian company specialising in pipe coatings for the oil and gas industry.  Going by the previous posts, I agree that it is full of Americanisms but the message is the same regardless of where you are in the world.

The culture at my work is to report all incidents and near misses regardless of severity.  This culture does engage all employees/visitors/contractors and clients and a lot of things have been acheved to reduce the likelihood of incidents occurring and ensures that all personnel go home the same way they came to work.

When it comes to safety, my company have a no hierarchy policy.  So if the CEO is in an area they are unauthorised to be in or if they are putting themselves or others at risk from their actions or lack of actions.  Anyone on site regardless of job title can speak to them about it and discuss what can be done to ensure that any task is performed as safe as possible.

A Kurdziel  
#11 Posted : 04 January 2018 09:23:21(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

But why do you need to buy in a scheme? Surely our approach to H&S culture is more advanced than relying on a process which just ends up being an exercise in box ticking. What you need is a sincere belief in the value of reporting incidents from employees but also from the organisation. What is the point of reporting incidents if nothing is done about them or even worse the incidents are used as part of a blame culture? Forget systems what you need is sincerity ( as Bob Monkhouse said” if you can fake sincerity you have it licked”)

Happy New Year

MikeKelly  
#12 Posted : 05 January 2018 16:04:16(UTC)
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MikeKelly

Hi  

I remember being on the receiving end of an IIF session run by Chad Lilley [see Google] for my then new employer [one of the Babcock empire]about 10 years ago.

Having been in OHS at the time for more years than  I care to add up and having a decided aversion to BS  I have to say that it was a complete waste of time-objectives fine but not achieved-nice bloke though we were never going to get on and agree on much-eg NLP

Regards

Mike

PS I'm with Andrew K' do it yourself, you're the experts  

L.Shurgold  
#13 Posted : 10 January 2018 09:19:22(UTC)
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L.Shurgold

Our company used to use the IIF ethos, I'm not entirely sure whether they bought in the supplier to deliver the trade merk or whether it was something done in house (it was in place before we joined), target zero was also an ethos we used again in place before I joined so am unable to advise on the initial start up. However i can say that it did help to improve on the safety culture of our business, the reporting of our leading indicators increased allowing us to be more proactive in our approach rather than reactive.

Unfortunately both IIF and Target zero has 'fizzled out slightly' however i have recently been implenting the "Think Safe, Work Safe, Home Safe" mantra into the area in which i am deployed in my company with much success. It is now being shared an implemented more widely within the company. Again their have been notable differences in my area with employees challenging and raising questions if they are unsure.

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