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JHF  
#1 Posted : 23 May 2016 15:40:04(UTC)
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JHF

Hi - basics are - acts of violence, 1 driver hits another (punch), both employed by the same company - is this RIDDOR? Thanks in advance.
Kate  
#2 Posted : 23 May 2016 15:53:19(UTC)
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Kate

Only if it meets the other criteria - it is work related (not a dispute they have brought in from outside work) and results in major injury or over 7 days unfitness to work.

This is all in the HSE RIDDOR guidance.
jwk  
#3 Posted : 23 May 2016 15:54:53(UTC)
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jwk

To be RIDDOR violence has to meet two conditions.

First: why did one hit the other? If it's to do with work (e.g. 'you just rammed my van with yours') then it might be RIDDOR. If it's not to do with work (e.g. one of them owes the other a tenner and won't pay) then it definitely isn't, even though the violence happened in the workplace.

Second: what was the outcome? To be reportable the act of violence has to result in a death, a major injury, an over-seven day injury or 24 hours in hospital. Just hitting somebody won't do, you've really got to hurt them,

John
HSSnail  
#4 Posted : 23 May 2016 15:54:58(UTC)
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HSSnail

The act of violence has to be work related - so if arguing about their respective football teams no, if one was a supervisor instructing the other then possibly. It also has to result in a specified injury from memory.
Sorry but from the info supplied cannot give a yes no answer.
WatsonD  
#5 Posted : 23 May 2016 15:56:38(UTC)
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WatsonD

Not unless this can be classified as an accident.
JHF  
#6 Posted : 23 May 2016 16:04:11(UTC)
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JHF

Hi - it is work related, one accusing the other of damaging his van (with his van).
jwk  
#7 Posted : 23 May 2016 16:10:46(UTC)
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jwk

So the next question you need to answer is about the outcome; did the injured person suffer a major injury, or were they admitted to hospital for more than 24 hours, or were they off work for more than 7 days? If not, then it's not reportable,

John
JHF  
#8 Posted : 23 May 2016 16:15:51(UTC)
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JHF

- not off work. Therefore - not reportable. If you are all in agreement - will take this as the final answer. Regards to all.
Animax01  
#9 Posted : 25 May 2016 10:06:04(UTC)
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Animax01

Not reportable, based on the information above anyway.

There may be a legal case for battery/assault however, but that is another matter.
Invictus  
#10 Posted : 25 May 2016 10:35:16(UTC)
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Invictus

Animax01 wrote:
Not reportable, based on the information above anyway.

There may be a legal case for battery/assault however, but that is another matter.



And don't think the company will be free and clear they may still have to pay compensation.
JHF  
#11 Posted : 28 May 2016 11:24:41(UTC)
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JHF

Thanks for all reply's.
DawidPotul  
#12 Posted : 02 June 2016 07:28:28(UTC)
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DawidPotul

Yes it is RIDDOR.
Hally  
#13 Posted : 02 June 2016 11:06:15(UTC)
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Hally

DawidPotul wrote:
Yes it is RIDDOR.


Really?

Would be interested to find out why you've said that looking at the previous posts.
watcher  
#14 Posted : 02 June 2016 12:17:46(UTC)
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watcher

DawidPotul wrote:
Yes it is RIDDOR.


No it really isn't !
HSSnail  
#15 Posted : 02 June 2016 12:36:35(UTC)
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HSSnail

quote=Watcher]
DawidPotul wrote:
Yes it is RIDDOR.


No it really isn't !


Is it Friday or has Panto season arrived early?

O No It Isn't! O Yes It Is.

I stick by my earlier post that unless a notification injury or over 7 day absence O No It Isn't!
Pete Mears  
#16 Posted : 02 June 2016 14:21:47(UTC)
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Pete Mears

The magic words here are: Non-consensual. RIDDOR requires deaths and injuries to be reported only when:
• There has been an accident which caused the injury.
• The accident was work-related.
• The injury is of a type which is reportable.
In relation to RIDDOR, an ‘accident’ is a separate, identifiable, unintended incident, which causes physical injury. This specifically includes acts of non-consensual violence to people at work.
In simple terms, if any of the above occurred due to one employee unilaterally thumping another, then it’s reportable under the relevant category, i.e. death; specific (major) injury; or, over-7-day injury. However, if two employees squared up to each other and agreed to ‘sort it out’ physically causing injury to one or both that’s ‘consensual’ and not reportable under RIDDOR regardless of severity of any injuries.
However, the situation should trigger the company disciplinary procedure and will likely be a police matter as assault to a person dependent on the severity/outcome.
FHS  
#17 Posted : 02 June 2016 16:22:48(UTC)
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FHS

Where in the OP does it state that the punch resulted in one of the injury categories you have quoted as being RIDDOR reportable?
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