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david carr  
#1 Posted : 09 June 2016 11:38:34(UTC)
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david carr

Under the regulations a Principal contractor is required where one than one contractor is involved.
Do any delivery lorries or cranes hired under a contract lift become a contractor, as their duration on site is likely to be small.

We have been told by client's manager that full H&S plan is required for a 3 day job as we have a delivery of equipment.
Alfasev  
#2 Posted : 09 June 2016 12:18:16(UTC)
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Alfasev

Deliveries trucks are not classed as contractors but a crane hire company doing a contract lift would be.
RayRapp  
#3 Posted : 09 June 2016 12:31:46(UTC)
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RayRapp

In practice there will always be a Principal Contractor because each project will require a CPP and the duty falls to the PC to prepare one. When there is more than one contractor...a Principal Designer is required.
Ron Hunter  
#4 Posted : 09 June 2016 13:12:38(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

The Parent Directive, and UK Regs. are concerned with the communication of risk and interaction between contractors, not their duration on site. Crane lift is a complex operation requiring close cooperation, coordination, etc.

Problem may be in terminology of "full health and safety plan." The plan should be proportionate.
MRSHEQ  
#5 Posted : 17 June 2016 11:10:39(UTC)
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MRSHEQ

As PC you will have a duty under the regulations to complete a CPP and the PD is responsible for ensuring that it is adequate and in place before commencing work on the project.

The author of the CPP should be aware of construction works in relation to the project timeline and associated phases of works, this will or should capture cranes operating on site.

However if you are working as part of a framework agreement where your are employed by the client to undertake modifications, remediation's, Improvements in various areas i.e. buildings then the client would expect to see individual CPP documents which in turn could result in multiple F10's being required.
gramsay  
#6 Posted : 17 June 2016 11:46:09(UTC)
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gramsay

MRSHEQ wrote:
As PC you will have a duty under the regulations to complete a CPP and the PD is responsible for ensuring that it is adequate and in place before commencing work on the project.


The PD is NOT responsible for this, but many clients are asking them to be so despite this not being required.
MEden380  
#7 Posted : 17 June 2016 14:01:31(UTC)
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MEden380

Alfasev
Have you actually been appointed as the PC by the Client (in writing) - if not then they (the Client) retain the duties of the PC.
For the type of job you are describing I would expect R/A & M/S for the work from yourselves along with a lifting plan and associated R/A & M/S from the lifting company, albeit under your control.
As Ray has also pointed out has the Client appointed a PD and have they provided you with any pre-construction information?
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