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ste  
#1 Posted : 13 June 2016 12:56:08(UTC)
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ste

This method of payment is new to me(always PAYE) and all I know it I pay a fee to the company each week to sort out tax, insurance etc, sick pay, hoilday pay and a contract.

Wondering if any one has had experience of such companies and could recommend one?

Does IOSH have one in their IOSH Extras or recommend one?

Thank you.
gerrysharpe  
#2 Posted : 13 June 2016 14:02:21(UTC)
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gerrysharpe

You need to remember apart from paying the company Fee's you will need to pay for an accountant, plus if your working for yourself why work via an umbrella, surely its better for you to keep the majority of what you earn and set up a limited company yourself. You can do it for about £25 online and then just get yourself an accountant the following Year, no need to pay a 3rd party, if you can do it yourself??

PIKEMAN  
#3 Posted : 13 June 2016 14:12:17(UTC)
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PIKEMAN

Or just become a sole trader, keep all your receipts and get an account to work their magic annually?
Rus1969  
#4 Posted : 13 June 2016 14:47:19(UTC)
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Rus1969

I would avoid paying an umbrella company and get an Accountant to look after you, you will also find with an Umbrella Company they will keep money back for your paid holiday entitlement. I would go Limited Company ( tax benefits such as taking payments in dividends!) or sole trader. Keep receipts for everything and give them to your Accountant on a monthly basis. I was paying my Accountant £80 per month and this included my final return at the end of the year, not as scary as it sounds. Good luck!
Centurion  
#5 Posted : 13 June 2016 16:38:03(UTC)
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Centurion

Hi,
I did find with some umbrella companies that they want to take over your entire working life and regard you as their employee - not for me.
All you want from them is to do what is legally required and leave you alone to get on with what you want to do.
Do not go for one that offers great tax allowances etc., as this will come back to bit you in the long term - always minimise your allowances.
The best one that I ever used was one associated with lorry drivers but I can't remember the name of it at the moment - I'll do a search and come back to you.
If you are considering the sole trader or limited company route, as suggested by others , then it would depend upon how much work you expect to get etc. as there are pros and cons for each.
Cheers
Andy


Centurion  
#6 Posted : 13 June 2016 16:48:04(UTC)
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Centurion

Hi,
I think that the umbrella company which I found acceptable was NOVA.
Cheers
Andy
will hampson  
#7 Posted : 14 June 2016 07:24:22(UTC)
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will hampson

I would not use a umbrella company if I could help it I have been made to use 2 through my employer as I am agency staff.
And my wage was different every week they charged £21 per week to do wages, tax etc and even made me pay there employers National insurance and said I had to pay it they reckon if they paid it I would be on a lower wage even thou I was paying my own NI
I looked into it and it was a government loop hole where they could legally do it.

As the other people on here have said they offer you tax expenses which they did with me for first month then they say you can no longer claim expenses and my wage was down £20 per week. they offer holiday pay as you are a employee of them but the holiday pay is kept in a pot as they say and its normally half of a days wage.

Thought I would share my experience umbrella company’s.
Hope it helps.

will
ste  
#8 Posted : 14 June 2016 17:22:12(UTC)
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ste

Thanks everyone for your advice :)
DavidBrede  
#9 Posted : 16 July 2016 20:47:22(UTC)
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DavidBrede

I would use the limited company route and could recommend an accountant who has looked after me for many years.

One of the issues to be dealt with if you go down this route is ensuring IR35 compliance and I have used a lawyer who specialises in this kind of work.
gerrysharpe  
#10 Posted : 17 July 2016 09:42:01(UTC)
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gerrysharpe

will hampson wrote:

And my wage was different every week they charged £21 per week to do wages, tax etc and even made me pay there employers National insurance and said I had to pay it they reckon if they paid it I would be on a lower wage even thou I was paying my own NI
I looked into it and it was a government loop hole where they could legally do it.

As the other people on here have said they offer you tax expenses which they did with me for first month then they say you can no longer claim expenses and my wage was down £20 per week. they offer holiday pay as you are a employee of them but the holiday pay is kept in a pot as they say and its normally half of a days wage.




Agencies have a loop hole for everything and their aim is to pay themselves has much as possible leaving you to pick up whats left.

I've been ripped off a couple of times and one agency didn't pay me for a day because they said it was only £100 and too much hassle, i got to the stage of sending off the County court papers before they paid.

Agencies are vile scum in my experience, If your desperate to gain employment via an agency, then do it as a limited company where you agree a rate before hand and then invoice them for the work.

Personally i would rather eat salt cod for a week then ever go down that route again.

So to recap, You could set up as a Limited company and save yourselves ££'s That would give you a better chance of contract positions withing companies, the choice of working for more than one company, or offering your services out to others.

Expecting a PAYE H&S position is pretty rare and you may stand a better chance offering yourselves out for a few days a week to different companies.

As for IR35, it will only apply if the individual is working for a client under circumstances that if it were not for the imposition of the Limited company or Partnership (known as the "intermediary") would be one of employment. No need for expensive Lawyers or all the hassle of paperwork.

So by offering your services out to other companies and getting other work in, not only your main work but others then you will not have to worry about IR35. Having a website offering your services and what you do is a good way to show your working for many as opposed to just 1 company.
Safety Man 1  
#11 Posted : 17 July 2016 14:39:53(UTC)
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Safety Man 1

Start up your own Limited company and cut out the middle man, a bit daunting at first however you are in charge of your outgoings
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