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Employee panics with training - What can I do?
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We have an employee who has point blank refused to do anymore training courses. We don't have a particularly large training program and it is mainly just the yearly refreshers and occasionally a new course e.g. Driver Awareness. There have been a couple of courses where I have let the employee pass on it as we have plenty of other employees that can do it i.e. PASMA but it has now come to the point that he won't do any. I and his line manager have spoken to him and although he has said that he is old enough and experienced enough not to need to the them the underlying issue seems to be that he panics. He has confirmed that when he is informed of a course he spends the time between notification and the course worrying and not sleeping properly. Has anyone experienced this before? On the one hand I don't want to make him ill but on the other I need him to do the training.
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This would come under work-related stress, I believe.
In which case, although not exhaustive, here's my suggestions:
You need to assess whether there is a role for him which will involve no need for training on things such as you have mentioned - such as working in the stores, etc.
You could also look at offering counselling to him.
However, (and I am prepared to be shot down on this if I am wrong) I do believe that once you have taken sufficient steps such as the ones above (but probably more than just), if no other reasonable alternatives can be found and he is unable to carry out his role, or an alternative (including Part-time or demotion) then you would be within your rights to dismiss him.
I doubt that being old enough and experienced enough will be suitable defence
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I'm guessing that you may already have tried looking into these sort of things, but it sounds as though you need to try and find out the real reason for the person worrying so much about the training.
I've experienced people in similar situations because of things such as: borderline dyslexia; unable to read or write properly; English isn't their first language etc.
The important thing is to try and build a good rapport with the person so that they feel able to discuss their fears or frustrations about the training - it could even be related to the implementation of the new skill after the training has been provided.
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Don't tell them in advance and on the day of the course hastily dispatch them "A La Hangman."
This will hopefully save a lot of pre-course nerves and stressing needlessly.
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Let’s take a deep breath: training is not an end itself. It has two objective: to provide employees with information and to assess if that information had been taken on board (People sometimes forget the second bit and just pile on the information angle). Ultimately it is about the employee’s competence. Can they do the job safely? Do they have knowledge (which you get from the training)? Experience? (which they will get from doing the job) Appropriate skill and attitude (which you can only assess by watching them doing the job- it’s called people management). There is no legal requirement for anyone to pass any specific training course to do a particular job. It is down to the management of the business to decide if the person is competent. The training course is just about piece of paper. So the ball is in your court: is the guy upto doing the job safely? You shouldn’t really need course to tell you that,.
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A Kurdziel wrote:Let’s take a deep breath: training is not an end itself. It has two objective: to provide employees with information and to assess if that information had been taken on board (People sometimes forget the second bit and just pile on the information angle). Ultimately it is about the employee’s competence. Can they do the job safely? Do they have knowledge (which you get from the training)? Experience? (which they will get from doing the job) Appropriate skill and attitude (which you can only assess by watching them doing the job- it’s called people management). There is no legal requirement for anyone to pass any specific training course to do a particular job. It is down to the management of the business to decide if the person is competent. The training course is just about piece of paper. So the ball is in your court: is the guy up to doing the job safely? You shouldn’t really need course to tell you that,.
If we send employees to do a task ie; erect an alloy tower scaffold and the client asks for PASMA certification for the employees erecting it, I dont think the client would readily accept your slant on this problem of training not being required. If an accident was to happen resulting in a serious injury how would you prove competence to an investigating body ?
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On the face of it, it seems your employee has a significant anxiety disorder, and has my sympathy. He's already opened up to you and told you about this, but he really needs to go see his GP.
Not something I'd categorise as work-related stress. Anxiety disorders are often a whole-life issue, and there is no logic as to how, why or when that anxiety manifests.
Might there be an opportunity to provide a supportive buddy approach for this?
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I came across this several times when I used to deliver managing safely
A decent trainer should be aware and have ways to get round it without any of the other delegates realising things are going on in the background.
As a trainer its particularly rewarding to overcome a challenge like this.
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A Kurdziel wrote:There is no legal requirement for anyone to pass any specific training course to do a particular job. It is down to the management of the business to decide if the person is competent.
Not actually true. There are many jobs that require training/education/examination before being allowed to practice. Barrister, surgeon, pilot, bus driver to name a few.
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I supposer you need to look at the level of training required and if there is another way to facilitate the training, is it possible that there are underlying issues also, dyslexia or an inability top read well and he feels less confident with people he doesn't know, could you wait and bring in a trainer so that he is only with his own colleagues. I know it is pampering to his needs but if you have one who doesn't want to train and is excused then it could be throughout the company in no time.
Is it mandatory training, is attending training part of his contract, what does your training policy say. I don't think that opting out because it causes stress should be the only way to look at it under the 74 act I think he still has to comply.
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I had a similar issue when I was teaching the CCNSG (Client Contractor National Safety Passport course for the Kier BAM joint venture at Hinkley Point Nuclear Power Station Somerset. One delegate was panicking and it wasn't until the first examination I deduced that he was indeed dyslexic. I then adapted the CCNSG examination to suit his needs namely I read out each question in full and he verbally gave me the answer, not problem after that. Look at the underlying cause my friend then take it from there.
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David Bannister wrote:A Kurdziel wrote:There is no legal requirement for anyone to pass any specific training course to do a particular job. It is down to the management of the business to decide if the person is competent.
Not actually true. There are many jobs that require training/education/examination before being allowed to practice. Barrister, surgeon, pilot, bus driver to name a few. What I was trying to get across is the current obsession with “qualifications” rather than competence. Staff are being told to get a certificate for this or that but there is no guarantee that having passed the test they will be any safer than someone who has “learned on the job”. I am not saying that we should not have some sort of assessment but true competence is a much wider issue. The dustbin waggon driver that killed those people in Glasgow a few years ago, probably had licenses etc but he was clearly not competent to drive that vehicle. If the client insists that people putting up scaffolding have a particular piece of paper, fine that’s their prerogative but in itself it is no guarantee that the guys doing it will be competent. And yes to do some jobs such as barrister, doctor etc you have to join a club and demonstrate not only competence but CPD by joining a “club”. But your professional body does more that sets a simple test; it monitors your performance and investigates any evidence of malpractice and if it finds this is true it will kick you out of the “club” and take way your livelihood. Does PASMA do that?
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A Kurdziel Do not take this the wrong way The case you refer to related to the fact the driver had a medical condition that he did not declare (not the fact he could not drive an LGV)
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I am not of course familiar with your employee, or any conditions he may suffer from. So maybe his claim he suffers from panic attacks is true. however, I am curious as if he has undergone previous training events, why has his panic attack not been made aware of before.
it was also stated that he believed he was old enough and competent enough for the job, so I wonder if he just believes that he cannot be taught anything else.
I would look at getting a formal medical assessment of any condition first
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I think some forum members missed their vocation as 18th century mill owners
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Thank you all for you responses. We have a meeting with him soon and will take all of these comments into account and try and find out if there are underlying issues and what we can do to try and accommodate as I really don't want to go down the HASWA 74 (7b) route.
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In the event of a substantive diagnosis of anxiety disorder you (i.e. the employer) may be bound by the Equality Act.
Walker: Classic.
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All,
You know I once had someone like this on my course can't divulge his name.
Regards
Captain G. Mainwaring
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