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KKemp  
#1 Posted : 18 July 2016 16:35:31(UTC)
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KKemp

Hello,
I have been asked to look into how companies are approaching hands free and driving. Do companies allow this or is this banned due to still being a distraction.

If anyone has any comments or knows of any recent research etc.. Much would be appreciated.
Thanks
Katie
sadlass  
#2 Posted : 18 July 2016 17:57:37(UTC)
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sadlass

Driving hands free?
I suspect you don't mean that.

But it made me open the post . .

You don't need to survey other companies.
Decision should be based on risk, not on what anyone else does.
If increases the risk of RTC, then advise accordingly.
It appears that all evidence points that way . . .
Roundtuit  
#3 Posted : 18 July 2016 18:45:11(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Based on recent reports Tesla hand free needs quite a bit of work as does Google car.

Regarding mobile phones being used hands free the RAC recently published a report re-stating that the distraction of using even hands free was an unacceptable risk.

Looking for a link and the scourge of smartphones is apparently worse - "Pokemon" gotta catch them all!

http://www.rac.co.uk/dri...motoring-safety-concerns
Roundtuit  
#4 Posted : 18 July 2016 18:45:11(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Based on recent reports Tesla hand free needs quite a bit of work as does Google car.

Regarding mobile phones being used hands free the RAC recently published a report re-stating that the distraction of using even hands free was an unacceptable risk.

Looking for a link and the scourge of smartphones is apparently worse - "Pokemon" gotta catch them all!

http://www.rac.co.uk/dri...motoring-safety-concerns
KKemp  
#5 Posted : 18 July 2016 20:24:26(UTC)
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KKemp

Thanks both.
bob youel  
#6 Posted : 19 July 2016 08:21:52(UTC)
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bob youel

After extensive research/debates etc. and working along side the police we decided it was in the best interest of the business to allow the use of a communication device only when a piece of equipment of whatever type e.g. car etc. was in a safe and 'stopped' position noting that we could not find a foreseeable situation when a worker was so important as to have to answer /make a call when operating a machine in any circumstance - the main problem is that people think that they are more important than they are and bad practice has become the norm
Roundtuit  
#7 Posted : 19 July 2016 08:23:55(UTC)
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Roundtuit

On your original question according to a survey in Fleet News @ 70% of company drivers work under a policy which permits hands free calls

http://www.fleetnews.co....ght-for-hands-free-calls

Which followed on from the news item

http://www.fleetnews.co....isk-of-hands-free-phones

and an earlier article

http://www.fleetnews.co....-held-devices-says-brake

Their research report page can be found at

http://www.brakepro.org/...actions-including-phones
Roundtuit  
#8 Posted : 19 July 2016 08:23:55(UTC)
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Roundtuit

On your original question according to a survey in Fleet News @ 70% of company drivers work under a policy which permits hands free calls

http://www.fleetnews.co....ght-for-hands-free-calls

Which followed on from the news item

http://www.fleetnews.co....isk-of-hands-free-phones

and an earlier article

http://www.fleetnews.co....-held-devices-says-brake

Their research report page can be found at

http://www.brakepro.org/...actions-including-phones
HSSnail  
#9 Posted : 19 July 2016 09:42:06(UTC)
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HSSnail

I read all these reports of how dangerous the use of hands free kits are with interest. I am not sure how they are undertaken but i'm guessing they are done in a lab on a simulator. The problem with this is the person knows they are being tested so for me the results without hand free use are flawed. What about all the other distractions to the driver? talking to the passenger, singing along to the radio, watching the driver in front who has been swerving all over the road so you miss the motor bike traveling down the white line.

If we banned everything for a driver that may distract them so they pay full concentration on the road are we then running the risk of suffering fatigue. Also if anyone has looked at the video of two teams playing basket ball trying to count the number of passes you will know the tricks the human mind can play on you.

Sorry but that's my old science training coming out - always question how research is done!
grim72  
#10 Posted : 19 July 2016 10:02:35(UTC)
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grim72

Remember the days when you had to physically wind your window down rather than press a button? I'm amazed any of us are still here to tell the tale ;-)
biker1  
#11 Posted : 19 July 2016 10:16:07(UTC)
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biker1

This is a subject that really drives me up the wall, if you'll excuse the pun. There are so many distractions available to drivers in modern cars and times, I wonder how any of them manage to keep in a straight line (oh, hang on, some of them don't). Fiddling with the stereo, programming the satnav, looking at maps/papers/laptops, talking on the phone; and now just to make things worse, we have Pokémon appearing in various places for people to play with on their phones (I also saw a picture of Mariokart now on satnavs, but can't decide if this is a wind up).

Perhaps we ought to have driverless cars - people clearly don't have the time or attention to drive themselves these days. My personal view is that most of the distractions should be either stripped out of cars, or prevented from being fiddled with whilst moving. We have the technology, we don't have the common sense and politicians with the backbone to make this happen.

Anyone driving a car is in charge of a killing machine, and has a responsibility to control it. Driving should be considered a privilege that has to be earned, not a right. Building cars that increasingly protect the drivers and passengers is missing the whole point about road safety.

I ride a motorbike. Riding requires constant attention, you can't let your attention wander or get distracted, and you don't have the distractions available to modern car drivers. I think this makes riders better road users, as we are concentrating on what we're doing, we have to, to avoid the muppets yattering on mobiles etc whilst driving.
jodieclark1510  
#12 Posted : 19 July 2016 10:35:10(UTC)
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jodieclark1510

biker1 wrote:


I ride a motorbike. Riding requires constant attention, you can't let your attention wander or get distracted, and you don't have the distractions available to modern car drivers. I think this makes riders better road users, as we are concentrating on what we're doing, we have to, to avoid the muppets yattering on mobiles etc whilst driving.


On the most part I would agree- OH is a biker and has suffered a broken back because of a driver deciding getting to a party and speeding across the lane OH was in was more important than driving 200 yards up the road and turning round at the roundabout to turn off safely- not nice wondering if he would walk again- luckily he had a clean break but will suffer as he gets older. On the other hand, I know a fair few bikers who ride along with headphones in or plug earphones into their phones so they can have a chat to tell their mates how they beasted a merc or audi at the lights. These kinds of people both give drivers and bikers a bad name, increase everyone's premiums etc and ruin people's lives
peter gotch  
#13 Posted : 19 July 2016 13:05:28(UTC)
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peter gotch

Katie

When I showed our Chief Exec the RoSPA research indicating that the risk of using hands free was equivalent to being over the (then) drink driving limit, he immediately prohibited all our staff from this activity in 2000

Caused a bit of a stir with some of our lab managers, but all settled down and ban still in place.

Not been questioned for years and years.
RayRapp  
#14 Posted : 19 July 2016 15:48:12(UTC)
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RayRapp

Katie

Yet another contentious issue which attracts polarised views.

I take the view if a company provides their employee with a mobile phone and a hands-free kit they are in effect condoning the practice of talking whilst driving. The problem here is if they do not provide a hands-free kit then there is a temptation phone users will simply use a hand-held phone which is more dangerous in my opinion.

There are a number of different approaches which can be adopted from simply turning your phone off when driving, to accepting a call saying you will phone back in x minutes, or pulling over at the nearest and safest point on the road to call back. All have a modicum of merit.

My ex boss used to phone me nearly every evening when she was leaving work saying that chatting on the phone stops her from dropping off to sleep when driving!
Terry556  
#15 Posted : 19 July 2016 15:55:45(UTC)
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Terry556

Most modern cars have voice activation where you do not need to fiddle with controls on the dash or steering wheel, but saying that I saw a police car driving down the motorway with the police officer holding his radio on his shoulder and talking.
jay  
#16 Posted : 19 July 2016 16:11:33(UTC)
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jay

From ROSPA--Driver Distraction - comprehensive information that has Key Facts, Summary, Review, Evidence and How Effective are various aspects

http://www.roadsafetyobs...ivers/driver-distraction
shaunosborne  
#17 Posted : 19 July 2016 16:17:37(UTC)
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shaunosborne

Brian Hagyard wrote:
What about all the other distractions to the driver? talking to the passenger, singing along to the radio, watching the driver in front who has been swerving all over the road so you miss the motor bike traveling down the white line.


I believe that studies have demonstrated using a hands-free phone distracts over and above talking to a passenger in the car. One of the suggested explanations for this is that a passenger is much more aware of the road and will react accordingly, e.g. talking less around difficult driving situations.

The weight of literature on this topic is becoming pretty convincing, in my opinion.
David Thomas  
#18 Posted : 19 July 2016 18:17:52(UTC)
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David Thomas

Don't expect new legislation - quite simply evidence - most recently from the university of Sussex - confirms the previous post. Risk assessment is about incorporating knowledge into a process at work...

As I said to a guy at a plenary at a road safety conference a few years ago when he said he made and distributed hands free kits and didn't know what to do. My response was to go into a new line of business.
WatsonD  
#19 Posted : 20 July 2016 09:37:18(UTC)
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WatsonD

Cars will be driving themselves soon enough, so the problem will be having enough to do on the journey to keep us distracted.
ExDeeps  
#20 Posted : 20 July 2016 10:06:36(UTC)
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ExDeeps

I have a car (type of big cat) that comes with hands free as standard. My previous car too, and that was not a big cat. Anyway, both cars have this nice little feature on the built in hands free system where I can auto reject incoming calls when driving. Can't stop me dialling out mind and I have done, mainly to ask my wife a question about traffic issues when stuck on the M25 and also to dial 999 on a couple of occasions when it's been too dangerous for me to stop.
The point I want to make is this, when I phone anyone on their mobile I always ask if they are good to talk or should I call back, before I even do the "how are you" bit. The temptation to answer is massive in some people (especially if the thing says it's the boss or an important client) and so there is not just an imperative on the driver to behave safely but also on the caller to ensure they are making a safe call.
HSSnail  
#21 Posted : 20 July 2016 12:39:23(UTC)
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HSSnail

I'm sorry I have looked at all the posted links and not one of them gives the rational of how the research was carried out - "believing" that hand free is a bigger risk than other distractions does not make it true, neither does the weight of publications on the subject - many of which will just be quoting the same piece of research! Remember we used to believe the world was flat, and some countries claim white asbestos is safe!
I'm not saying that hands free kits are without issue its just the scientist in me that questions research papers - I've written a few myself so I know some of the tricks to play!
biker1  
#22 Posted : 20 July 2016 14:58:15(UTC)
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biker1

A little while ago, there was an advert on TV, showed trendy young people bopping away to music whilst allegedly driving, and at one stage a woman appeared to close her eyes at the wheel, so taken with the music was she. I, along with a few other people, complained to the Advertising Standards authority. The complaint was upheld, the advert was duly edited, and a short time later disappeared altogether. I can't remember what car the advert was for - this seems to be a by-the-way thing these days, as the adverts don't actually tell you anything about the car. It's all apparently about lifestyle.

I am aware that there are headsets that can be used inside motorcycle helmets, I've used (or tried to use) one of them myself linked to walkie-talkies. Quite frankly, they're a waste of time, as you can't hear much above 30mph without turning the volume up to ear-damaging levels, it's not just the sound of the bike, there's the wind noise. I don't know many bikers who bother with them, the only advantage I can see is that you don't have to take your helmet off when you stop to use the phone.
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