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mssy  
#1 Posted : 23 July 2016 00:33:03(UTC)
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mssy

Can anyone help me with the frequency which green break glass door overrides (for electrically secured doors) should be tested?

And where the doors do NOT open automatically with the actuation of fire alarm system, common sense would say that test should occur more often - can anyone point me towards guidance that could help me determine the recommended frequency in such cases ?

Many thanks
gerrysharpe  
#2 Posted : 23 July 2016 09:46:34(UTC)
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gerrysharpe

I would of thought they would be tested at the same time as a Full Fire Alarm test and the results recorded, As you say these do not open automatically in the event of a fire, so there would be no general access via the doors ant any other time, ie with a Green push button to open.

Thus the only time these doors would need to be opened is in the event of a Fire, so test at the same time as a Fire Alarm would appear the logical choice, i can't see the need to test more often
Ian Bell2  
#3 Posted : 23 July 2016 10:21:50(UTC)
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Ian Bell2

I don't know what the test period is, but if look at one or a product data sheet the BS/EN standard that they are made to should be given.

Most likely the BS/EN standard will give a test frequency once installed.
Jane Blunt  
#4 Posted : 24 July 2016 09:06:11(UTC)
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Jane Blunt

gerrysharpe wrote:
I would of thought they would be tested at the same time as a Full Fire Alarm test and the results recorded, As you say these do not open automatically in the event of a fire, so there would be no general access via the doors ant any other time, ie with a Green push button to open.

Thus the only time these doors would need to be opened is in the event of a Fire, so test at the same time as a Fire Alarm would appear the logical choice, i can't see the need to test more often


Gerry - if you have magnetically locked doors, which are normally open in the daytime, then these green over-ride boxes are fitted to open the lock in the event of fire at night/weekend. I used to work in buildings that had one on every one of the external doors.
Ciaran Delaney  
#5 Posted : 24 July 2016 09:54:53(UTC)
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Ciaran Delaney

Jane Blunt wrote:
gerrysharpe wrote:
I would of thought they would be tested at the same time as a Full Fire Alarm test and the results recorded, As you say these do not open automatically in the event of a fire, so there would be no general access via the doors ant any other time, ie with a Green push button to open.

Thus the only time these doors would need to be opened is in the event of a Fire, so test at the same time as a Fire Alarm would appear the logical choice, i can't see the need to test more often


Gerry - if you have magnetically locked doors, which are normally open in the daytime, then these green over-ride boxes are fitted to open the lock in the event of fire at night/weekend. I used to work in buildings that had one on every one of the external doors.


Hi Jane,

Similar experience here. Hope all is well with you, my friend.

Best Regards,

Ciarán
gerrysharpe  
#6 Posted : 24 July 2016 12:55:46(UTC)
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gerrysharpe

Jane Blunt wrote:
gerrysharpe wrote:
I would of thought they would be tested at the same time as a Full Fire Alarm test and the results recorded, As you say these do not open automatically in the event of a fire, so there would be no general access via the doors ant any other time, ie with a Green push button to open.

Thus the only time these doors would need to be opened is in the event of a Fire, so test at the same time as a Fire Alarm would appear the logical choice, i can't see the need to test more often


Gerry - if you have magnetically locked doors, which are normally open in the daytime, then these green over-ride boxes are fitted to open the lock in the event of fire at night/weekend. I used to work in buildings that had one on every one of the external doors.


Thanks Jane,

But looking at it this way if it was just a normal Fire exit door which is not normally open during the day only when their a fire, then surely it would be acceptable to test when testing the fire alarms?
gerrysharpe  
#7 Posted : 24 July 2016 13:02:57(UTC)
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gerrysharpe

These are the type of break glass points the original poster was asking about

http://www.accesssecurit.../2015/08/EDR-ASP-21..jpg

and not the Green press buttons that you normally see to open mag locked doors
mssy  
#8 Posted : 24 July 2016 21:03:34(UTC)
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mssy

gerrysharpe wrote:
Jane Blunt wrote:
gerrysharpe wrote:
I would of thought they would be tested at the same time as a Full Fire Alarm test and the results recorded, As you say these do not open automatically in the event of a fire, so there would be no general access via the doors ant any other time, ie with a Green push button to open.

Thus the only time these doors would need to be opened is in the event of a Fire, so test at the same time as a Fire Alarm would appear the logical choice, i can't see the need to test more often


Just to be clear, there are around 60 break glass override units within this building. Just a few are at final exits, however the majority are distributed throughout the premises.

The resp person involved is a scientific & medical research establishment, so have various security layers throughout the premises. On a business as usual basis, doors are opened by entering a PIN or in some cases a swipe card.

The green box units are there to create a means of escape in an emergency that does not involve a key

It would be very difficult and perhaps disproportionate to test all 60(ish) every week, so I am considering testing say 5 per week which means they all get tested quarterly.

I know there will be guidance somewhere, but unless the testing recommendations are more onerous in the guide, I might stick with this plan

Any views or experiences would be welcomed


Gerry - if you have magnetically locked doors, which are normally open in the daytime, then these green over-ride boxes are fitted to open the lock in the event of fire at night/weekend. I used to work in buildings that had one on every one of the external doors.


Thanks Jane,

But looking at it this way if it was just a normal Fire exit door which is not normally open during the day only when their a fire, then surely it would be acceptable to test when testing the fire alarms?

Jane Blunt  
#9 Posted : 25 July 2016 05:22:50(UTC)
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Jane Blunt

I'm not sure what you were raising there Mssy. The sort of doors I was referring to could only have the operation of the override tested at night or at weekends. My post was to expand on the previous poster, as our train of thought was being narrowed as to what the possibilities were.

The sort of door that is normally only opened when there is a need during a fire could be tested at any time.

As for the frequency of test, I do not know.
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