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In a couple of safety data sheets recently I got all excited that the supplier was bothering to recommend what glove material to select (instead of the usual 'impermeable gloves' or 'consult the glove manufacturer').
Then I was surprised to see that the recommended glove material was 'polythene'. Polythene doesn't seem like at all a good material for gloves as it lacks elasticity. Furthermore, I have never seen a polythene glove for sale anywhere.
I resolved the particular issue by reference to other recommendations (and then joking about tying a plastic bag over the operator's hand) so I am posting here just out of curiosity. Are polythene gloves a real thing that people use for handling chemicals? How might the supplier have arrived at this recommendation?
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When the suppliers eventually catch up there should be decent recommendations about the types of PPE - it is specified in the REACH regulations.
Regarding polythene - not a long duration material and Chris Peckham will probably have comment about suitability - but in answer to your post yes they exist and do get recommended. The one that springs to mind is expanding filler foam sold to Joe public at the local DIY store - a restriction on the isocyanate content states the supplier must provide a set of disposable gloves with the package (guess which material most supply). Believe the expression is CATNAP - Cheapest Available Technology Narrowly Avoiding Prosecution.
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When the suppliers eventually catch up there should be decent recommendations about the types of PPE - it is specified in the REACH regulations.
Regarding polythene - not a long duration material and Chris Peckham will probably have comment about suitability - but in answer to your post yes they exist and do get recommended. The one that springs to mind is expanding filler foam sold to Joe public at the local DIY store - a restriction on the isocyanate content states the supplier must provide a set of disposable gloves with the package (guess which material most supply). Believe the expression is CATNAP - Cheapest Available Technology Narrowly Avoiding Prosecution.
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If you are providing gloves for anything other than very minor hazards, e.g. dishwashing, then the gloves should be category III. I am not aware of anyone providing category III polythene gloves. You will also need the appropriate permeation breakthrough data for the chemical(s) in question. A word of caution here. The manufacturer will produce permeation data according to EN374-3. This data does not tell you what you will get in practice. When I was involved in running a study to measure permeation breakthrough times on gloves under conditions of actual use the permeation breakthrough times varied enormously. In one case, same chemical, same glove, permeation breakthrough time per EN374-3 39 minutes, actual in-use performance ranged from 2 hours to 5 minutes depending upon the task!
If you want more on the PM me with your e-mail address and I will send you a document on this topic.
Chris
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Kate,
As a matter of interest, are the SDS relevant in all other respects?
There are a whole lot of spurious and irrelevant data sheets out there, many of which were produced only to satisfy the uninformed demand of the customer for products which were not actually harmful for supply.
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Kate, Out of professional interest, what chemical substance/mixture SDS had recommended the "Polythene" Gloves ?
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The Silver Shield laminated gloves range also feature a five-layer fabric compacted to a thickness of 2.7 mil. Laminating a high-energy polymer (EVOH) with a low-energy polymer (PE) creates a fabric impervious to at least 90% of all organic chemicals for four hours at 35°C. Each layer acts as a barrier against various epoxies and industrial chemicals
http://www.honeywellsafe...LVERSHIELD.aspx?site=/uk
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Thanks for all the responses - interesting.
The product was a two-part adhesive supplied in an applicator that did the mixing - I suppose just the sort of thing that might indeed be stocked by a DIY supplier. I don't recall the composition of it, but I was sufficiently concerned by the hazards stated in Section 2 to want a COSHH assessment that included identifying suitable PPE. Once I found out it was in an applicator I was much less concerned, but I still wanted hand protection against incidental contact.
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One factor to bear in mind is that the manufacturers' permeation breakthrough times are based on a flawed laboratory test and, in any event, only provide laboratory based test data. What you will obtain in practice is generally very different to what the data tells you. There are many factors that affect how a glove will perform under actual working conditions and deciding how long a glove will protect against a particular chemical is not as simple as many assume. Furthermore, most manufacturers' data is based on single chemicals, not mixtures. I can show you a glove that will provide in excess of 4 hours protection (nominal) for each of toluene and MEK. However, when these are mixed 1:1 the permeation breakthrough time is just 9 minutes!
If you want more on this it is covered in chapter 18 of the book "Protective Gloves for Occupational Use", ISBN 0-8493-1558-1, or PM me (I wrote that chapter.)
Chris
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It is 'interesting' what one can find on the shelves in the DIY store. I recently purchased a container of adhesive labelled "Gorilla Glue". This seems to come from the USA. On reading the label I found that in contained isocyanates. Under the latest COSHH ACoP if this were being used in a workplace one would need to consider biological monitoring! I wonder how many purchaser in that DIY store even read the label let alone would understand what this word meant!
Chris
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An update that may be of interest. I met a sales representative from Ansell who showed me a laminated polythene glove. It is a real, certified, chemical-resistant glove rated for a wide range of chemicals and as he explained often provided in spill kits for that reason. My concerns about its lack of elasticity were correct, it doesn't mould to the hand at all, but he demonstrated that the way to use it was to put a disposable nitrile over the generously-sized polythene to force it in to place over your fingers and palm so you can actually handle things.
As a skilled salesman he didn't mention the price but it didn't look cheap!
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Kate wrote:An update that may be of interest. I met a sales representative from Ansell who showed me a laminated polythene glove. It is a real, certified, chemical-resistant glove rated for a wide range of chemicals and as he explained often provided in spill kits for that reason. My concerns about its lack of elasticity were correct, it doesn't mould to the hand at all, but he demonstrated that the way to use it was to put a disposable nitrile over the generously-sized polythene to force it in to place over your fingers and palm so you can actually handle things.
As a skilled salesman he didn't mention the price but it didn't look cheap!
and of course he was trying to sell you two sets of gloves for the price of one!
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FYI
The American NIOSH chemical document actually states which PPE and RPE is required, It's worth downloading.
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This thread mentions
polythene
polyethylene
Same?
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if EU suppliers were applying REACH correctly then we would see accurate PPE descriptions in Section 8 - beware NIOSH quartz is a carcinogen! The US has its own standards and tests for PPE not directly equivalent to any EU standard.
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if EU suppliers were applying REACH correctly then we would see accurate PPE descriptions in Section 8 - beware NIOSH quartz is a carcinogen! The US has its own standards and tests for PPE not directly equivalent to any EU standard.
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If only it were that simple!
One of the problems is that the performance of a glove can vary enormously, depending upon the nature of the task. In one study we found that the same glove, with a nominal permeation breakthrough time of 40 mins for the chemical in question provided in excess of 2 hours for one task and just 5 minutes for another! How do you cover this in a safety data sheet.
Mixtures can also present a problem. I have data on a glove that provides in excess of four hour protection for each of MEK and toluene, but only 9 minutes when the two are present at a ration of 1:1.
There is also the problem that different manufacturers may product apparently identical gloves that have very different permeation breakthrough times for the same chemicals.
Temperature also plays a role. EN374-3 prescribes that gloves are tested at room temperature, i.e. 23 deg. C. If the gloves are tested at body temperature, e.g. 35 deg C, then the permeation rate will vary enormously, for example in one case drop by over 90%!
This is one reason why I so often see gloves being used in the mistaken belief that they are protecting the wearer when this is simply not the case.
Chris
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Polythene gloves are provided with some products such as cans of expanding foam and hair dyes. These in my experience are generally for single and short duration use.
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Yes, polythene and polyethylene are two names for the same thing - the former being a shortened form of the latter which is the proper chemical name of it.
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Thanks Kate, I know monomer ethene = ethylene, but wondered if the polymer names were really the same.
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