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Having seen the footage and read the reports from yesterdays crash landing at Dubai and from a similar incident with a BA aircraft in the USA last year, I think its about time that overhead lockers are fitted with electronic locks. These could either be activated when the seat belts signs are illuminated or by cabin/air crew.
Its obvious that safety is being put at risk by people more intent on retrieving their hand luggage than actually evacuating the aircraft
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You should put your proposal to the CAA.....
What about people who want to get something out of their bag in the overhead locker, might especially happen on a long haul flight.... are you proposing to call one of the trolley dollies to unlock the overhead locker every time a passenger wants to access their bags?
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You could have something that triggers the locking mechanism in event of emergency.
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Replace the toilets with ejector seats ;-)
and the footage of this event being captured on a portable electronic device during an emergency landing.
Just too much "me" mentalility nowadays
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Replace the toilets with ejector seats ;-)
and the footage of this event being captured on a portable electronic device during an emergency landing.
Just too much "me" mentalility nowadays
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Ian & Martin, that's why it should be activated by either the seat belts sign being illuminated or by cabin or air crew. And yes maybe I will put this to the CAA
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I thought exactly the same when I first saw the footage - there is an interesting read on the BBC website about this very concern: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36977903 and comments on the 90 second rule which is a scary statistic. What is without doubt is that the flight attendants did an amazing job and should be applauded for gettign everyone off so quickly.
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I like the ejector seat idea.
I have one in my Aston Martin. I think the last guy who had the car worked for MI5.
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Those matchbox cars are quite collectible, especially if you still have the box :0)
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I think something needs to be done, but I'm not sure that locking the overheads is the solution. It may even make the situation worse with passengers trying to get them open stood in the aisle. You would also likely find that passengers will keep more hand luggage under the seats instead of putting them in the lockers and then still try to take them off with them.
Unfortunately we appear to live in a world were taking your ipad / handbag etc. is more important than the lives of fellow passengers.
It is fortunate that these incidents are very few and far between and I also find it incredible that someone would think it's a good idea to video this on their phone!
However we are using the footage on the cabin crew training course we are running today just to show what the crews are up against in a real emergency.
Whilst the cabin crew did a good job I think there was a large element of luck involved as well.
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I suggest arming the cabin-crew, and shooting any passengers that fail to follow instructions.
Closely followed by the next fat slob that goes into the toilet for an extended bowel motion.....
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The principle is just the same when evacuating a building, fire drill or not. People must collect their personal belongings or send an email...
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I must admit, having had my first experience of a cruise recently it was interesting to see the full scale practice of an emergency drill and the reaction to it. We were all advised on several occasions of the upcoming drill and what we needed to do and where we needed to go. I was amazed at how many people turned up without their lifejacket or in the wrong location etc. It just goes to show that even without the terror and panic running through your veins, some people simply aren't able or willing to listen to instructions. Maybe we just have to accept Darwins law and that some people are beyond help?
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You could actually look at that "the other way round" and recognise the professionalism of the crew, allied to their training and the design of the aircraft actually meant that everyone did get off safely despite having just been through the trauma of a crash landing. Massive BZ to the cabin crew for doing exactly what they were trained to do, with energy and force, and the aircraft designers for ensuring that cabin was designed to be cleared so fast - you'll never be able to dehumanise the great unwashed in that sort of situation, you can only design and train to counteract the inexperienced and frankly self absorbed. And sympathy to the family of the firefighter who subsequently died,
Jim
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johnmurray wrote:I suggest arming the cabin-crew, and shooting any passengers that fail to follow instructions.
Closely followed by the next fat slob that goes into the toilet for an extended bowel motion.....
Sounds like something Ryan Air would do.
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Sounds like something Ryan Air would do.
Only if they could charge passengers for the bullets
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Sounds like something Ryan Air would do.
Only if they could charge passengers for the bullets
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And when the lockers burst open due to the impact forces from a crash landing....
Makes locking them rather irrelevant.
Maybe you should speak to Boeing and/or Airbus about a job as an aircraft design engineer..... don't think you would get offered the job.
I suspect the CAA/Boeing/Airbus have already thought of this issue along time ago
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Perhaps first they should concentrate on the plane not crashing! Then worry about the storage lockers / idiots.
Just a thought
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chris42 wrote:Perhaps first they should concentrate on the plane not crashing! Then worry about the storage lockers / idiots.
Just a thought
I think the idea of the plane not crashing is great and deserves further investigation.
If the lockers burst open during crash what happens to the toilets? I'd rather get hit by my suitcase than the results of that fat blokes bowel movement!
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I'm surprised they didn't stay on board to get a picture of the fire to put on Facebook, but seriously, the gangway on planes isn't that much and anyone standing there trying to get something or updating twitter is simply putting others lives at risk, they should be charge with endangering the aircraft and passengenger
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Thanks peter, so they seem to agree! :)
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The firefighter who died was a hero assisting passengers off the aircraft.
Perhaps those passengers who were delaying the escape by rummaging through the overhead lockers would spare a thought that they may have contributed to that hero's death.
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Don't be such a drama queen. Other than reading in the news reports that a fire man dies, there has been no details as to why he died.
Wait for the accident report.
Wasn't there a small explosion? Maybe he got hit by flying debris or covered in burning fuel. Nothing directly to do with the passengers getting their bags out of the lockers.
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Ian
You are also jumping to conclusions "And when the lockers burst open due to the impact forces from a crash landing....
Makes locking them rather irrelevant."
And earlier you also make assumptions about my post and qualifications "Maybe you should speak to Boeing and/or Airbus about a job as an aircraft design engineer..... don't think you would get offered the job."
It seems to me that you are always right and no other point of view matters.
good luck
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I think its an established fact that structural failure occurs if the crash impact forces are high enough.
I don't think any of us need to be highly qualified engineers to figure that out.
More than happy to accept others points of view - but my past life, probably gives me more knowledge of aircraft engineering/aircraft design/aircraft operations than most users of this forum.
There are a couple of us on here, at least, with similar experience.
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I flew many times with the RAF as a paratrooper in both Hercules C130 and DC 10s and would consider myself to be a 'trained' passenger. my first ever civilian flight for me was the most frightening flight I ever endured. As the flight crew demonstrated the evacuation plan I was horrified at the conduct of the passengers who were too busy rooting through their handbags or busying themselves with some other useless activity and not taking any notice. No wonder there's bedlam in an emergency situation.
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TommyH wrote:I flew many times with the RAF as a paratrooper in both Hercules C130 and DC 10s and would consider myself to be a 'trained' passenger. my first ever civilian flight for me was the most frightening flight I ever endured. As the flight crew demonstrated the evacuation plan I was horrified at the conduct of the passengers who were too busy rooting through their handbags or busying themselves with some other useless activity and not taking any notice. No wonder there's bedlam in an emergency situation.
I agree that it's unfortunate that nobody pays attention, but how many times does the same flight safety demonstration get repeated? People just switch off to it after a while.
The airlines need to do more to keep it fresh. A perfect example is that I flew with Thomson a couple of years ago. Instead of the usual cabin crew demo, they showed a video with a bunch of kids giving the information. Everyone on the plane was watching it because it was different.
The airlines need to take responsibility for engaging people, just as you would try to with any other safety training, however it seems to me that it's one of those things that's just done as a box-ticking exercise.
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Passengers generally have exceptional faith in the structural integrity of the aircraft and abilities of the crew, with good reason - flying is a very safe mode of transport.
The number of incidents where an emergency evacuation is required is very very low and so few passengers have ever needed to put the emergency drill in to practice. Added to that is the fact that flying is commonplace, hence the almost universal disregard for what is being explained at the start of each flight.
It is a natural human reaction to want to retrieve one's personal possessions prior to exiting despite it being a very inconsiderate thing to do, but many many people are inconsiderate of all others anyway.
It is therefore one of those low frequency, high impact (no pun intended) events that the airlines need to address.
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