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I have a large warehouse which has an existing radio, purchased by the staff and which has been operating for the last 10 years or so without any issue. It is very loud, the warehouse is large so what is loud at the source needless to say is not so further away.
There have been no accidents as far as records go back that show noise from the radio being a factor, such as distraction or not being able to hear. In this area we have lots of activity with pedestrians and MHE.
I am of the opinion that I would want to remove the radio from the warehouse to prevent the possibility of staff having an accident, either by not hearing an approaching mhe or by distraction.
I know this will not be popular with the workforce, I have been weighing the positive and negatives and want to know your thoughts.
I have been looking for some reference on loud music where people and MHE are operating, what am I missing ?
Can anyone offer some guidance ?
Thanks
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No issues for 10 years. My view is that surely you should have better things to spend your time worrying about in a warehouse than how loud a radio is. Senisble safety.... ;)
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Hi
I had the same, large warehouse with an office in the middle with the radio on top of the office. Ended up too loud for the people working close to the office and was causing issues especially of a night time when it was turned up even louder. It did cause some issues where you couldn't always here the horn from some MHE.
I ended up putting some speakers around the warehouse with the controls in the Managers office. (just check you have a PRS and PPS licence).
I wouldn't recommend removing it as you will have a riot on your hands and having worked in warehouses when i was younger radios do help the mood (just the what station to have it on caused the biggest arguments). If you take away you will also risk the increase of people using headphones and listening to personal devices.
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Sensible,
If you are worried about the noise from the source I'd suggest getting other radios for around the warehouse so that music can still be enjoyed but source volume lowered.
If you have no accidents or incidents stemming from the noise levels you'll have a hard time justifying your decision to remove the radio to staff. You may even find staff become defiant and wear headphones to listen to music which could be counter productive to what you're trying to achieve.
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Valid points.
My concern would be that there is a potential for an accident, loud noise, pedestrians and mhe in the mix may result at some time in an accident which may find noise or distraction from a radio as a contributory factor. Just trying to be proactive instead of reactive.
That being said I was wanting to get others opinions on this as it may be a case of opening more issues by forcing this through. Certainly food for thought.
It is reassuring that others have radios in use in their warehouses.
Thanks all.
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Hardly sensible safety, if you have had no accidents or incidents in over 10 years then you decide to take the radio away because you think it is too loud. Why not just turn it down a bit.
Maybe it's time for a name change!
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some good replies as usual especially from RAY and also note environmental noise contamination and PAT testing etc.
come at this from the H&S area e.g.noise management etc. alone & be secure in your answer and if somebody wants to remove / change the radio situation give it to management to manage and not the H&S bod
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Yes Kwik fit were done for this a few years ago, I can't find the final report on this but it seems they were fined £250,000 (£1,000 per depot), by PRS.
Applies to Radio and TV and employee count as MOP.
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Invictus, name change suggestion has been taken onboard. It's not because I think it's too loud, I know it's too loud. I fully expect that it would be in the 80's+ db in the immediate area before people, machinery and others are included. I am not wanting to remove it because I 'want' to, it's because I forsee it playing a part in a future accident. Turning it down works but it is a very large building and needless to say it will get whacked up to max the first opportunity. Why have horns on MHE if they cannot be heard over music.
I have only been in the business 5 months, the last 10 years of no accidents relating to loud noise in the warehouse look good on paper but my feelers tell me reporting and contributory factors may be slightly off for the last 10 years. From examining and watching warehouse operations and viewing footage of near misses in this same warehouse, the loud noise certainly does make me think of it as an issue.
My worry would be that a colleague gets struck or similar by a MHE and then the noise becomes an issue.
RayRapp, I have asked and been told a licence is in place. Thanks for that.
Alas it might be a case of the benefits of the radio to the morale of the team outweighs the risk.
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Turning it down does seem to be the answer. Why not measure the sound levels, if no access to a decent sound meter then some apps for smart phones are not too far off the mark.
Once you have your evidence then act upon it, either make it mechanically impossible to increase the volume or replace with a different system.
You will be as welcome as a fart in a space suit with this, if you build your case then at least you can back it up.
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If the music is to loud make them wear ear defenders. Problem solved.
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chris42 wrote:
Yes Kwik fit were done for this a few years ago, I can't find the final report on this but it seems they were fined £250,000 (£1,000 per depot), by PRS.
Applies to Radio and TV and employee count as MOP.
"Fined" by who? They are not a Government body!
I thought these guys were on the same level as parking "fines" companies.
http://www.harpers.co.uk...-prs-and-ppl/359049.blog
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102paul wrote:chris42 wrote:
Yes Kwik fit were done for this a few years ago, I can't find the final report on this but it seems they were fined £250,000 (£1,000 per depot), by PRS.
Applies to Radio and TV and employee count as MOP.
"Fined" by who? They are not a Government body!
I thought these guys were on the same level as parking "fines" companies.
http://www.harpers.co.uk...-prs-and-ppl/359049.blog
OK poor wording :-
They were taken to court, the action against the Kwik-Fit Group was brought by the Performing Rights Society.
Chris
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chris42 wrote:102paul wrote:chris42 wrote:
Yes Kwik fit were done for this a few years ago, I can't find the final report on this but it seems they were fined £250,000 (£1,000 per depot), by PRS.
Applies to Radio and TV and employee count as MOP.
"Fined" by who? They are not a Government body!
I thought these guys were on the same level as parking "fines" companies.
http://www.harpers.co.uk...-prs-and-ppl/359049.blog
OK poor wording :-
They were taken to court, the action against the Kwik-Fit Group was brought by the Performing Rights Society.
Chris
I've done an internet search and it seems the case never got as far as court!
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Yes when I looked, Kwik fit tried to get it dismissed and the judge said No. What happened next seems vague, all I could find was a blog saying it had happened and it was £250,000. Things take so long in court sometimes that the sensational news headline is one year and the conclusion a few years later and no one cares (or at least not the news people). Perhaps they came to some sort of arrangement.
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I thought they were the one's to trust, just goes to show you can't trust amnyone.
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Research by BST indicates that only 20% of minor injury accidents (and by inference a not dissimilar proportion of near misses) are precursors of a Serious Injury or Fatality (SIF).
BP were celebrating brilliant personal injury statistics immediately before Texas City and then again before Deepwater Horizon.
In the OP's question 10 years without an accident, and quite probably an absence of records of near misses is not much evidence that a SIF is not going to happen tomorrow, next week or next year.
I've investigated work-related transport fatalities and if you can't hear the horn over the radio I'd personally want this fixed. Music OK, but turn the volume down. If this means multiple localised speakers, so be it. Compared with the cost of a SIF, peanuts.
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Is there any way the amount of contact between pedestrians and mhe could be lowered?, If there is, I would also look into this also- apologies for being slightly off the original question.
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And if the employee has no/limited hearing ability it really doesn't matter how loud the radio is - they still wouldn't hear a horn or reversing bleeper.
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And if the employee has no/limited hearing ability it really doesn't matter how loud the radio is - they still wouldn't hear a horn or reversing bleeper.
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Agree with comments #7 and #9. Pretty sure it also applies to business that play music when you are on hold.
If no accidents in 10 years, IMHO I would set the ground rules with the team, if volume is controlled by twist knob, but a mark on it......... "Guys if it goes past this mark again (or numeric 10 or do) it will be removed"!
MAT
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