Well you can include anything as an internally reportable accident. I was once told of a Swiss pharma company that even investigated accidents to staff at home eg falling off a ladder while decorating the dining room on the grounds that the sort of person who is likely to have a daft accident at home is more likely top have one at work. That is what they wanted to do and that it their business. Obviously you would not report that as a RIDDOR cos that is not what the HSE want. There are differences between countries in what they expect to be reported. For example in most European countries an accident while driving to work is regarded as a work place incident but here it is not.

I would accept a suicide at work is an 'incident' but not an accident. Indeed there are many unusual events which might be classed as an incident but are not RIDDORs. We once had a fatality due to a violent act, but it was not a RIDDOR.

hserc Since you explicitly state that the proposal about reporting suicide came from a German company, it may well be that the proposal is influenced by the murder-suicide actions of a German pilot last year, after which not only the employer but also the German regulatory system was publicly criticised for its system of management of psychological illhealth. Instead of concentrating on a symptom of 'suicide', why not focus on what you can control, namely appropriate measures to maintain high levels of occupational health that generally pre-empt suicide (and other forms of violence) in the UK?

Not a mention of work colleagues who could be affected by the suicide of a colleague..... As far as the individual themselves it's inherently difficult to plan for such an occasion, or potentially identify any indicators that a person has such a mind-set I deal with circa 5 incidents a year of attempted suicide in my workplace and have been involved in the aftermath of 2 successful 'attempts' in the last five years, traumatic to say the least In my experience the resource is required within the workforce to provide support for those dealing with the aftermath

A non-sequestered, reflective employer that has utmost regard for its workforce? What a concept!

This the underlying point is that if you start to measure it then you have to somehow manage the risk... It is not just about the work related factors, if any, there are also the post trauma counselling for those involved in the aftermath...been there most Dec/Jan especially M1 between Barnsley & Meadowhall..!!

It should not be taken as work related issue because suicide is a crime. It's some like intentionally killing oneself. If it is proven as suicide nothing can be done.

An interesting aspect to this thread is the amount of research being carried out into suicide as a result/contributing factor of work related stress-report them by all means. [Australia and here in France where Orange telecom have lost a high number of workers it is believed to work related stress.] Reportedly due to serious levels of bullying, excessive pressures, etc and the like yet again. This was 2014, I'm unsure of the current position but I shall attempt to find outi You can find this sort of info on the net widely publicised I recollect discussion of Workplace stress and the possibility of suicide as an outcome. I agree there are often other possible causes close to home but these do not negate the above. I well recollect one of my students [M.Sc] referring to a senior manager who was seriously affected as a result apparently of his treatment at the hands of even more senior management etc In my students case-mature, trade union ex HSRep, he referred to the guy jumping off a multi story car park some time after essentially breaking down in a meeting. Suffice it to say it was not completely out of the blue Needless to say it was not publicised [or any support provided] And these aren't the first and will not be the last even in my own organisations So much for legal protection-Sports Direct anyone? Plus any amount of oil, miners, defence and other Multi Nationals Regards Mike

Hi AK And we should try and extend the list to include other important accidents and causes of injuries as has been the case since NADOR, etc and should, of course, include road accidents as 1/4-1/3 or more are caused at work or through work and suicides too-difficult yes. You might even do something about workplace stress reporting-one day But nothing was ever meant to be easy. We could even have a thread for those to be included. We have after all finally alighted on a proper sentencing regime unlike the derisory stuff of the past. Perhaps we may get a sensible corporate manslaughter regime but don't hold your breath Bon chance Mike