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RayRapp  
#1 Posted : 07 September 2016 08:20:54(UTC)
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RayRapp

A quick question to my esteemed colleagues, do electrical intake cupboards in blocks of flats require FD30 or FD60 fire rated doors? Any reference to an authoritative document would be helpful - thanks.
Invictus  
#2 Posted : 07 September 2016 09:04:26(UTC)
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Invictus

Ray, try building regulations part B page 24 iyt depends on the number of floors etc. It's not that presciptive though that it names each area of the flats, just if they have sprinklers or not.
RayRapp  
#3 Posted : 07 September 2016 09:51:53(UTC)
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RayRapp

Thanks Invictus, but I need a definitive answer, assuming there is one, and I need it fast.
Invictus  
#4 Posted : 07 September 2016 10:10:04(UTC)
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Invictus

Ray, I would go with the building regs, below 5 FD 30 above FD 60. Even the the attached there is nothing difinitive states the same as the building regs. Page 72 http://www.local.gov.uk/...0-400c-bf81-9a3c4dbd6575
chris42  
#5 Posted : 07 September 2016 10:12:13(UTC)
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chris42

Invictus  
#6 Posted : 07 September 2016 10:17:13(UTC)
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Invictus

Nice one Chris still FD30 so the same as page 72 and the building regs. as least it states what Ray wanted.
chris42  
#7 Posted : 07 September 2016 10:24:10(UTC)
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chris42

oops same document, but they are talking about long term improvents to go to FD30
Invictus  
#8 Posted : 07 September 2016 10:30:24(UTC)
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Invictus

But isn't it the standard we should as part of the risk assessment state, I always state not to current 9999 standard or not to standard recommended in such a guidance document and as part of my recommendations I state consideration should be to improving to this standard. That way if the worse happens the authorities know that you have identified it and made recommendations to improve to current t standards. I even do that with the company I am employed by, might be seen as back=k covering but it also shows a level of competency. Only an opinion other people may have other ideas.
RayRapp  
#9 Posted : 07 September 2016 11:22:14(UTC)
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RayRapp

Thanks again guys, our FRAs state FD30s should be used for electrical intake cupboards. However this has been questioned by our term contractor who state they should be FD60s. Hence my query. Despite an exhaustive search I cannot find anything which explicitly refers to electrical intake cupboards and so I am of the opinion that FD30s are correct. With regards to British Standards, we do not have access to these so I cannot refer to them. I am currently looking at a package provided by BS which I will put to senior management at our next quarterly h&s meeting next week. This is a good case study why we need these standards - a little rainbow.
chris42  
#10 Posted : 07 September 2016 11:41:11(UTC)
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chris42

I think Invictus and I were just missing one anothers posts ( mostly me, I should check no other posts while waiting 5 minutes). Ray- ask them to show you where it requires FD60. If they can all good, review it, if not then... Up to you how much fun you have belittling them. Chris
mssy  
#11 Posted : 07 September 2016 17:52:52(UTC)
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mssy

As a rough rule of thumb, I would say FD30S on most occasions Some buildings have fire compartment strategies to support horizontal evacuation or an engineered solution which may required a FD60. I have seen FD60s used when it is not possible to utilise 2 x FD30s on a staircase lobby. So unless there is a fire strategy or any other special reason - FD30 may well be ok
toe  
#12 Posted : 07 September 2016 23:12:46(UTC)
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