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RayRapp  
#1 Posted : 05 October 2016 13:15:13(UTC)
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RayRapp

As I commented recently in a post about behavouril safety, until we start to treat workers fairly and with respect don't expect them to be angels out there in the coal face. I worked on Crossrail for two years as a H&S Manager - glad to see the back of it! http://www.shponline.co....ace-abuses/?cid=topstory
Ian Bell2  
#2 Posted : 05 October 2016 13:28:56(UTC)
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Ian Bell2

The culture and attitudes within the construction industry will never change. It attracts aggressive and bullying managers etc. All driven by money.

The troops on the shop floor don't know any better, often quite frankly many aren't bright enough to do anything else and are mostly only interested in getting paid.

Can't wait to get out of the construction industry.

O'Donnell54548  
#3 Posted : 05 October 2016 13:44:48(UTC)
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O'Donnell54548

Agree Ian. During my 25 years in health and safety, both as a practitioner and a trainer, I have purposely stayed well clear of anything to do with the construction industry.

Chris c  
#4 Posted : 05 October 2016 14:47:22(UTC)
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Chris c

I have to disagree on this ,I have worked for over 40 years in construction in building and heavy civils and was never bullied in fact the comradeship with the people and companies I work for was really good ,I hand many a good time whilst working away from home Chris
RayRapp  
#5 Posted : 06 October 2016 07:09:13(UTC)
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RayRapp

Originally Posted by: Chris c Go to Quoted Post
I have to disagree on this ,I have worked for over 40 years in construction in building and heavy civils and was never bullied in fact the comradeship with the people and companies I work for was really good ,I hand many a good time whilst working away from home Chris
Well good for you. What I have personally found is if you're prepared to roll-over and not challenge poor behaviours by either operatives or managers you may well have a happy relationship with your colleagues. However for most proactive practitioners this is conundrum they face on a regular basis - to challenge and face discord or to appease.
gerrysharpe  
#6 Posted : 06 October 2016 07:28:57(UTC)
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gerrysharpe

I work in Construction and i don't tollerate bullying by managers at all, it shows inexperiance from a manager who cannot communicate effectively with the workforce. I either ignore them completely, or treat them as they treat me. Never will i be treated like this and it seems to work.

I don't have any issues at all now, people have got to learn that by communicating effectively you get the job done better, by communicating like a larger lout, your hindering the work by causing resentment amongst the site operative and other managers.

People like that should take a long good look at themselves and either improve or remove!!

MEden380  
#7 Posted : 06 October 2016 09:02:54(UTC)
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MEden380

Totally agree with Gerry I also find please and thank you also help
Baron  
#8 Posted : 06 October 2016 19:02:58(UTC)
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Baron

Originally Posted by: RayRapp Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Chris c Go to Quoted Post
I have to disagree on this ,I have worked for over 40 years in construction in building and heavy civils and was never bullied in fact the comradeship with the people and companies I work for was really good ,I hand many a good time whilst working away from home Chris
Well good for you. What I have personally found is if you're prepared to roll-over and not challenge poor behaviours by either operatives or managers you may well have a happy relationship with your colleagues. However for most proactive practitioners this is conundrum they face on a regular basis - to challenge and face discord or to appease.

I must say that I agree with Ray Rapp. That is indeed the conundrum - I personally never walkaway, however as time goes by, it knocks the stuffing out of you and if that day arrives, i'll throw in the towel. I'm in aviation and in terms of occupational H&S were 10 years behind construction. At times, its toxic.

johnmc  
#9 Posted : 06 October 2016 19:39:20(UTC)
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johnmc

The main reason I got into Health & Safety was to try and change the way it was delivered within the construction industry.  Predominantly by overbearing, condecending, patronising, bullies that only ever found problems and never offered any form of practical solutions or help.  The vast majority of construction workers want to do an honest days work for a reasonable pay check, there are however a small minority who are p*** takers on all fronts.  The larger sites across the UK are all to a fairly good standard if not very good, with many with excellent welfare facilities compared to the smaller remote ones that often don't even have a toilet.  Behavioural safety is the key to improving this industry, but it's the senior guys that need to have their behaviour modified and lead by example.  Rant over... John

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