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Kloppite  
#1 Posted : 06 October 2016 08:22:49(UTC)
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Kloppite

I am well aware that you cannot charge employees for PPE, but when they are constantly losing or mis-laying hi vis vests. Can we set a limit as to how many we have to provide without charge? Can we legally set a limit on how many we must provide without introducing some sort of charge?

If anybody has any experience of this I would be interested to know what policies were implemented to deal with the issue.

Roundtuit  
#2 Posted : 06 October 2016 09:55:54(UTC)
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Roundtuit

You move to the absolute last rung in control measures "Discipline".

Employees have duties to care for their PPE in accordance with your instruction and training.

But if as stated employees are constantly miss-placing the item as the employer have you made adequate provision for the safe storage of equipment (personal locker, coat rack etc.)?

Roundtuit  
#3 Posted : 06 October 2016 09:55:54(UTC)
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Roundtuit

You move to the absolute last rung in control measures "Discipline".

Employees have duties to care for their PPE in accordance with your instruction and training.

But if as stated employees are constantly miss-placing the item as the employer have you made adequate provision for the safe storage of equipment (personal locker, coat rack etc.)?

Ian Bell2  
#4 Posted : 06 October 2016 09:59:07(UTC)
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Ian Bell2

If PPE has been identified as being required, then there is no limit to what is supplied and the costs. If PPE is being lost/stolen or purposely damaged and hence increasing the costs to an employer, that is a different matter and is usually best tackled by HR, if you want to take the matter that far.
bob youel  
#5 Posted : 07 October 2016 07:44:51(UTC)
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bob youel

This is a management issue and all a H&S person can do is advise noting that the PPE needs to be correct for the job and person in the first place as poor (cheap?) PPE [along with poor management] can lead to staff not bothering etc. so all factors need to be looked at and a report made to management

RayRapp  
#6 Posted : 07 October 2016 07:58:54(UTC)
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RayRapp

Kind of agree with others' comments, personnel must look after their PPE. There is of course scope for wear and tear, but misuse of it is a disciplinary matter. I suggest when handing out PPE to staff you keep a record by getting them to acknowledge receipt of PPE. This will assist in tracking the amount of PPE, who has received it and when, it may also make some act more responsibly knowing the details have been recorded.
firesafety101  
#7 Posted : 07 October 2016 10:29:26(UTC)
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firesafety101

No hat, no boots, no job ! Perhaps you could add No PPE. If PPE is required to be worn and has been issued how about the next time the employee turns up without it you send him/her away to find, or replace it, maybe by travelling to the office or to a shop where it can be purchased. Before they go inform them their pay will be docked for the time off the job.
gerrysharpe  
#8 Posted : 09 October 2016 08:14:33(UTC)
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gerrysharpe

Originally Posted by: firesafety101 Go to Quoted Post
No hat, no boots, no job ! Perhaps you could add No PPE. If PPE is required to be worn and has been issued how about the next time the employee turns up without it you send him/her away to find, or replace it, maybe by travelling to the office or to a shop where it can be purchased. Before they go inform them their pay will be docked for the time off the job.

I agree 100%, They have a duty of are to look after their PPE,  I've had this on numberous sites where guys just chuck their ppe on a bench in the changing rooms, and next morning its not there?  I've seen guys walking around sites with Different hard hats with tape hidingthe "Other company" name  and Hi vis turned inside out so the "Other Companys" name cannot be seen.

Same goes with safety specs and ear defenders. Makes me made when people thing that they should get these new each day. 

We have guys that take their gear home with them in their rucksack and bring them in the mornings, never an issue with those, only the ones who have no respect for their own safety.

sadlass  
#9 Posted : 11 October 2016 10:26:53(UTC)
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sadlass

Cant get away from the employer duty, not matter how 'careless' or irritating workers seem to be.

Why does it matter which company name is on a hard hat if it is suitable and required?

Different take depending on employment situation obviously. If you are 'i/c' a site, your rules go. But the employer (or s/e) has a legal duty to provide, free of charge, necessary PPE supplied under PPE regs / RA.

douglas.dick  
#10 Posted : 11 October 2016 11:05:49(UTC)
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douglas.dick

The case has already been given above. However, you may have another issue with the quality of PPE currently being bought, the correct PPE for the task and the fit for the person using it.

I was aware of an issue with face shields being broken a lot, by simply changing this to be incorporated into the hard hat we managed to stop this issue, due to users not putting the shields down when conducting other tasks. The cost of the hard hats were up but overall cost was down.

Although it could also be careless use as others have said

Adam Gorczak  
#11 Posted : 11 October 2016 15:30:52(UTC)
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Adam Gorczak

I suppose problems about PPE has come up in every company. The best thing to do is to reissue the item as long as individual is wearing it
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