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I've been working for a company for 13 months now. In that time, ive managed to get the operatives on my side and cooperate. Even some of the directors. The partiular director i am having trouble with is the M&E. ince day dot, ive been asking for his ads certificates and ECS cards, and for the past 4 months ive taken over sorting them out.
Ive got two on training courses, one which is on an adult pathay course, which will take 18 months to complete. However im having issues with the director taking anything serious i say. Apparently to him the F10 is just a piece of paper, and the HSE will never come t one of our sites. Im fumng with that statement.
So, i have 4 electrical lads on site, a director and a lad who has an ecs card but works in the office doing orders.
The director signs off electrical certificates as the QS. I spoken to NICEIC and they say what he has in certificates amounts to QS, without an ECS card. However he keeps using one particular guys name as the electrician, when in fact this electrician is the one on the adult course and never step foot on two of these sites. I brought this up with him and he said Health & Safety has nothing to do with ECS/NICEIC.
Which regulations can i throw at him to make my argument heavier, as im now involving the stakeholder directors. This partiular director is only for that section and gets profit related bonus only. Reg37 Negligence/ Ignorance/ Incompetence - but this drags all directors in
What can i do to protect myself, apart from leave the company. And what can i do to protect the stakeholder directors?
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I am an electrician that progressed sideways into the H&S world.
A JIB/ ECS card is simply a tiered qulification system that reflects the 'courses' and level of quals an individual has, it isn't necessarily a H&S concern (other than the question of competency for the individual)
The spark may have 2391, there is no absolute need to progress to the newer 2394/ 5.
2391-94 & 95 relate to test and inspection, to that end it MAY be fine for the individual to test and certify once the installtion/ alteration is complete (there's your avenue, the installation could be carried out by the site staff albeit it doesn't sound like they are exactly competent, with the test and inspection bod certifying after-the-fact)
I'd be more concerned about the competency of the installation sparks rather than the directors and the lad in the office as what they are doing at site is very 'suspect' in terms of competency at least.
As for you? that's a moral issue, if you are recording your correspondence and highlighting your concerns there's not a great deal more you can do, I would use the directors I do have on side to leverage your position and concerns with the difficult fella. Don't see it as an overnight task, this takes time HOWEVER it is your concience at the end of the day.
PM if you want more assistance
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Well, I would forget the NICEIC or anything to do with that. An EIC is a legal document, the signatory is stating that they have done xyz, and it can be produced in a Court of Law, ask people invovled in the Emma Shaw case. So, basically the director is falsifying safety documents, IMHO he is committing fraud. Does the "electrician" know that he is being put in the "frame" for work he knows nothing about, and could end up in court, in the witness box defending actions that he didn't even undertake? IMHO a criminal offence is being committed.
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