Load of old rubbish really...Im not CMIOSH, and have no desire or intention to take that route. I have my qualifications and thats all that counts...plus I have a good job, and I just checked my job description and I am in fact an EHS practioner. Checked my business cards and email sig too...yep, defo a practioner. So bang goes his argument ;)

The route to CMIOSH is a demonstration of your credentials both in terms of quals.- NEBOSH Dip, OHS Degree, NVQ's ad infinitum, a portfolio SDP and/ or OA, PLUS a peer interview during which you must sucessfully demonstrate how you have 'practicied and implimented' the level of competency required of a CMIOSH practitioner, ergo you must have 'practised' as a H&S professional

We could debate the term 'practitioner' here for a lifetime BUT in my opinion you must have been a practictioner (regardless of your working title) to attain CMIOSH

http://forum.iosh.co.uk/posts/t123040-IOSH-Magazine---Leader-Interview

I'm 'only' a Graduate member. does that mean I'm going to get found out? I only work full time as an H&S professional and am establishing a start up business to address specific work at height issues.

But then, when I spent the best part of a decade as an Inspector with HSE enforcing the legislation, I 'wasn't even' a Grad. IOSH......... Crikey!

What a studid thing for anyone to say!

Al

Personally, I don't agree with his statement, but I do agree with what I think may have been intended sentiment behind it.

I think that he would have been more accurate in stating something like: "each H&S professional should be able to demonstrate that they are competent to operate within their field and at the management level that they are appointed".

I appreciate that this opens up the minefield of defining "competence" rather than making a strange statement that everyone should be CMIOSH.

Pete

Spot on REES21880

We all have many views on lots of topics and if we want some publicity we just have to express a controversial one, jus my view!!

...and because he's a Dr, that makes him a competent brain surgeon.

I have a real issue with qualifications, competency schemes, CMIOSH, Grad, Chas, Safecontractor, CSCS, Dr or Consultants, etc...........

A persons comptency to do a task is NOT solely based upon what letters they have after their name, how much CPD they have done etc.

The letters after their name helps shorten the time it takes someone else to assess their competency, but is not the sole measure. Skills, Knowledge, Experience, Training - speak to previous customers, employers, watch them do the task,etc.

Just because someone's got a driving licence does not mean all drivers are good......

I must admit I had a laugh when I read the good Dr's comments, I agree with you all, I am Grad IOSH at the moment and am working on my CM but I do not believe having CMIOSH after my name would make me any better at what I do.

On the other hand I have worked with some CM's and found them to be quite poor, especially when they jump industries. I believe in the past the path to CM was easier than it is now and at times I find myself  wary if I find a contractors "HSE Guy" is a bit older but is sporting CMIOSH.

I look forward to reading the comments in next months IOSH Magazine as I expect the good Dr to get some stick. 

Of course it is always open for the government to agree the title H&S Practitioner reserved solely to CMIOSH/ CFIOSH.  Not so different to accountants and QCs etc.

So I will repeat what I said in the other post on this matter - we are STILL in europe and will be for years to come.

IF CMIOSH becomes the "norm" we will see a proliferation of profiteers offering up equivalent schemes which must be permitted under non-monpolistic trading ending up with the same fiasco that befuddles construction with its various card and contractor schemes (the free market and regulation are not ready bed-fellows).

And as some have eluded post nominals do not equal common sense - my only regret is not taking adequate notes in my past when nudged with the words "you couldn't write it" otherwise I could be the writer behind the best selling comedy "The Factory"

I know this is an old thread but I thought it worth a comment.

We are all health and safety practitioners when we take a role where we are responsible for administering H&S duties. I have been a H&S Practitioner for many years as a TechIOSH and now a GradIOSH.

We can use the term "Chartered Safety and Health Practitioner" when we attain our CMIOSH. The key difference is we can use the word chartered.

I am proud to have worked in H&S for many years and helped the people that I have. If I want to consider myself a H&S Practitioner, then I will. I'll add the chartered word when it's right to do so.

IOSH is not the only institution.