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clane  
#1 Posted : 27 October 2016 08:05:16(UTC)
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clane

Morning,

A friend of mine has asked me for advice surrounding the main differences between employees and volunteers as far as health and safey law goes.

He works for a charity that employes a few hundred individuals but also regularly has up to 2000 volunteers who help by way of maintaining the environment (litter picking, vegetation and general maintenance, running events and carrying out surveys etc).

Recently there was an incident where a volunteer suffered an injury as a result of a head-volunteers negligence. The head-volunteer (group leader) who caused the injury received training directly from the charity (my friend delivered the training) as how to ensure that all the activities carried out by other volunteers are done so in safe and controlled manner, i.e. risk assessment, first aid provision, lone working, safeguarding, PPE and so on. What would be the charity's legal stand point and would my friend have a case to answer or would this be purely a civil law matter between the two volunteers?

As qouted from HSE website, "Under the common law, voluntary organisations and individual volunteers have a duty of care to each other and others who may be affected by their activities", Where does the charity's duty of care start and finish?

Finally, I have read that the HSE is being lobbied in order to ammend the HSW Act to change the term "employee" to "worker" which would automatically mean they would receive the same level of protection. Has anyone got any thoughts on this moving forward?

Thanks in advance

gerrysharpe  
#2 Posted : 27 October 2016 08:16:41(UTC)
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gerrysharpe

Normally Volunteers, Self emplyed, contractors etc, have the same level of protection as Full time employees so thats something you need to look into. 

Do don't discrimate between different types of workers whether they are working for a wage or not

RayRapp  
#3 Posted : 27 October 2016 08:42:58(UTC)
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RayRapp

Following on from Gerry's post, statutory law normally applies to an employer/employee relationship. Therefore charities and volunteers do not come within the ambit of the h&s law unless they employ staff, full or part-time, in which case they will be deemed an employer for h&s purposes. The general advice is to treat all volunteers as 'employees' by providing the appropriate training, instruction, supervision, PPE, etc. That way you will cover all bases. A Duty of Care that is owed by the organisation or one person to another person is a civil law precedent and if negligence can be proved then there might be a basis for a claim.
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gerrysharpe on 27/10/2016(UTC)
A Kurdziel  
#4 Posted : 27 October 2016 09:00:56(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

As Ray has said, if an organisation consists entirely of volunteers then it is not classed as an ‘employer’ under Health and Safety law and Health and Safety at Work Act does not apply and they cannot be prosecuted under the Act. But if they employ even one person (even on a temporary basis) they then can be deemed to be an employer and the full weight of the duties under Health and Safety at Work Act apply. In the case of volunteers this would be a Section 3 duty ie to people affected by your undertaking. If that is the situation the easiest way of dealing with it is simply to treat the volunteers in the same way as you would treat employees (so they would need training and risk assessments and safe systems of work etc.) From the original posting it is not clear a) how serious the injury to the volunteer was and b) what do you mean by the senior volunteer being ‘negligent’. If this case warrants HSE investigation it would need to be serious and in the “public interest”. The HSE will not go after a charity lightly unless they have done something significantly wrong (it does not look good for them to go around beating up the voluntary sector). Rather than prosecute they would much rather pursue some other form of informal action.In the case of civil action it would depend on whether the court applies the principle of vicarious liability. Normally the only applies in the case of employer/employee relationship but it has sometimes been applied at other times.

HSSnail  
#5 Posted : 27 October 2016 09:02:13(UTC)
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HSSnail

From your post the charity is an employer of a few hundred people. The way I read your post the volunteers are undertaking task such as litter picking which is part of the charities work activity. As such most H&S law will apply. The difference may be that the duty is under section 3 of HASAW rather than section 2. Remember "Duty of Care" strictly speaking is actual a civil liability term while HASAW is a legal Duty. You do not make it clear if your friend is looking at compensation (civil claim) or a breach of the law.
HSSnail  
#6 Posted : 27 October 2016 09:05:19(UTC)
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HSSnail

Looks like Kurdziel and I were typing at the same time. I agree totally with their comments.
clane  
#7 Posted : 27 October 2016 10:07:15(UTC)
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clane

The charity cannot provide direct training to all 2000 volunteers, so they train individual group co-ordinators or senior volunteers whose role it is provide adequate training to the other volunteers in their group on ssow, use of PPE, risk assessments. Before a volunteering activity takes place, either a few days before or on the day the senior volunteer will explain how the activity should be carried out. In this instance the direction/training (cutting back hedges) was given on the morning of the activity to a group of about 8 other volunteers. The volunteer who suffered the injury fell over after stepping back and collided with a wheel barrow and suffered severe brusing to shoulder, hip, leg, has been off their own work for 5 days and is undergoing physiotherapy for shoulder. The volunteer who suffered the injury is saying that they weren't provided with a safe working environment and that better controls to prevent this should have been in place. They are potentially looking to pursue a claim.

My friend is concerned that as you say under section 3 of the HSW he did not provide specific and sufficient training to the senior volunteer who in turn did not provide sufficient training to the other volunteer.

WatsonD  
#8 Posted : 27 October 2016 10:38:26(UTC)
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WatsonD

If this 'friend' of yours is working for a company that employs a couple of hundred people and have around 2,000 volunteers how come they don't have a competent person managing their Health & Safety that your 'friend' could talk to rather than coming to you?

A Kurdziel  
#9 Posted : 27 October 2016 10:41:12(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Clane

Speaking in the cold light of day unless the volunteer suffered a permanent disability as a result of this incident, I can’t see the HSE coming along to investigate let alone prosecute anybody.  As to a civil claim , well anybody can go out and try to find a lawyer who is willing to take up the case and the charity’s insurers will most likely negotiate a payoff rather than go to court.

Personally I cannot see how someone stepping backwards and colliding with a wheelbarrow can be laid at the feet of negligent supervision. The law does not expect zero risk of harm, just as safe as reasonably practicable.  Just what form of training or supervision were they expecting?

“When reversing back from a hedge, please remember to make a beeping noise to alert any barrow operators behind you”.

Leave it to the insurers. They might agree to pay up, they might decide to defend. But tell your friend not to worry this does not look like a big deal –worse things happen at sea(or on building sites, or waste recycling plants, in confined spaces…).

clane  
#10 Posted : 27 October 2016 13:53:07(UTC)
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clane

The charity does employ a competent person but my friend was getting concerned as he was being asked a lot of questions about what training he delivered, when, whom to, what it involved!. He was getting the impression that any blame for the incident taking place was being pointed in his direction, so he asked my advice on the matter and if I thought he had a case to answer.

Thank you all for your replies and I agree with that at some point persons have to take the blame for their own stupidity as oppoosed to constantly trying to find a scapegoat or someone more culpable than they are.

HSSnail  
#11 Posted : 27 October 2016 14:03:02(UTC)
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HSSnail

An employer can only ask an employee to carry out duties for which they are trained an competent - and that includes the safety adviser. I have some sympathy with WatsonD on his comment but we don't know exactly what training your friend has been asked to undertake. I agree with all of Zurdziel comments about it being unlikely that the HSE would peruse this. It does worry me that your friend thinks he could have given more training after the event - what would this training have been. If your friend is an employee of the charity then I assume they have employers liability insurance. That is what the injured person will pursue as more chance of getting money from them than an individual. Without knowing all the facts, but I would have thought its difficult to know exactly what training would be needed here. Why was the wheal barrow there? I take it they were putting something in it or using it as a manual handling aid. I would not think the level of training would be that high. If we were talking about litter picking at the side of a live carriage way or a deep fast flowing water way then I would have expected specialist knowledge and training to be given and controls to be much higher.
MikeKelly  
#12 Posted : 27 October 2016 15:02:08(UTC)
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MikeKelly

Hi Clane

Given that your concern appears to be primarily from a civil law perspective I would judge that the charity would be vicariously liable [VL] [from your earlier description of the circumstances] for any potential negligence of your mate. Authority for this is Munkmans Employers Liability at Common Law.

It would be definitely unfair if it was left to two volunteers to fight it out in court [as was the case before VL came along many years ago], and not too good for the reputation of said charity and their failure to support volunteers.

Criminal aspects less of a problem S2 [if employment relationship established]/ or S3 HSWA I would think, if indeed the HSE would even bother.

I'd agree that worker would be better than employee or you could just deem them as such in the legislatio.n

Regards  

Mike

 

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