Welcome Guest! The IOSH forums are a free resource to both members and non-members. Login or register to use them

Postings made by forum users are personal opinions. IOSH is not responsible for the content or accuracy of any of the information contained in forum postings. Please carefully consider any advice you receive.

Notification

Icon
Error

Options
Go to last post Go to first unread
clane  
#1 Posted : 29 November 2016 13:14:22(UTC)
Rank: Forum user
clane

We have an open air electrical workshop which doubles as a classroom which backs on to a fabrication and welding dept. The noise from angle grinders within fab & weld is causing tutors in electrical dept a lot of bother from a teaching perspective as well as their mental wellbeing. Exposure to this noise can vary between 2-4 hours a day 3-4 days a week. For the past month I have asked tutors to take samples of noise using a calibrated soundlevel test meter and the avertage weekly noise level is about 82 db, however sometimes it can peak at over 100 db. I know at or above 80db I am to provide information, training about the risks and at 85 db or above hearing protection must be introduced, however due to the fact that they need to communicate with one another hearing protection isn't an option and I would rather try and tackle the problem at source anyway. The problem being is if the average weekly exposure level is below 85 and staff are only exposed to noise periodically, does my employer have to take action? I have a meeting in the morning with SMT and need some advice. Thanks

JayPownall  
#2 Posted : 29 November 2016 13:37:03(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user
JayPownall

Hi clane

If the average noise level is below 85dB but above 80dB then as you state, you are required to provide training and information. You are also required to make available hearing portection at above 80dB should employees wish to wear such.

It sounds as though the average across the week may be below the 'upper limit' which negates formal need to wear HP. The issue as I understand it, is the 'peak levels' of above 100dB. Peak noise levels are also given both lower and upper action levels - like weekly exposure, and are set at 135 and 137 respectively. So you would need to find out what the specific noise level is peaking at to determine if you fall outside of, or witihin the peak lower/uper values.

As ever that is my interpretaion of the regs and am happy to be corrected. I have always referred to Page 4 of INDG 362 (http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg362.pdf ) - the notes on Peak Noise levels will likely be of most use.

((I would also keep an eye on the mental wellbeing of staff given you mentioned this is taking a hit with the noise, it may be worth looking at this further and ensuring those affected are getting the support needed (if not already of course).))

Jamie

Edited by user 29 November 2016 13:40:05(UTC)  | Reason: Additional comments

Ian Bell2  
#3 Posted : 29 November 2016 13:48:31(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user
Ian Bell2

I would question the whole viability of having a training workshop for the electricians next to the fabrication shop.

How are the electrical instructors supposed to comunicate with their students?

Either provide some pretty good sound insultation between the 2 classrooms/areas/workshops or move one of the workshops far enough away from each other so noise is no linger a problem.

kmason83  
#4 Posted : 29 November 2016 14:44:04(UTC)
Rank: Forum user
kmason83

I have had this problem at the College noise coming from the motor vehicle workshop disrupting the classes going on next the the workshop and causing grief for the other groups using the workshop for instructed classes. Moving spaces is a tricky thing in education not just timetable wise but some academics are pretty precious about their teaching spaces so that in my experiance is a difficult option. What I did was invest in some good noise absorbent cieling tiles, lowered the ceiling level a bit too and it really took the noise levels right down. If you speak to some of the specialist companies they can come in and give you some quotations for different things they can do. 

I had the academics and techs fitted for personal hearing protection also as there weekly exposure limit was above the upper limit. I don't know where you are but there is a really good place in leeds that does this, they will visit for the initial hearing tests and come back to do fittings. These types of hearing protection are perfect for use in education where you can't take out all of the noise. 

Edited by user 29 November 2016 14:48:52(UTC)  | Reason: left some info out

clane  
#5 Posted : 30 November 2016 14:14:56(UTC)
Rank: Forum user
clane

Thank you for all your replies.

Yes the layout of the workshops is not ideal but unfortunately that is what we have to work with. As always timetabling of classes is difficult at the best of times and especially so when space is at a premium and as kmason83 has said some tutors get a bit funny when you ask them to start moving from one area to another, regardless of the reason why.Communicating with the students within electrical workshop used to be difficult however with a change in the curriculum and the fact that there is now more emphasis on creating and shaping your piece of work before welding, there is more and more angle grinding taking place which now makes commnicating near on impossible. Initially we've decided to carry out further sound level testing of various areas/workshops and then re-test those areas after re-locating the grinding to the opposite end of the workshop to see what difference it makes..if any. Fortunately peak noise levels (105db) are well under the lower threshold of 135 so hopefully we won't have to worry too much about that.  

fscott  
#6 Posted : 30 November 2016 15:44:54(UTC)
Rank: Forum user
fscott

Clane I perhaps wouldn't be looking at the noise issue in isolation.  I work for a welding/fabrication company and we have looked at our working methods to reduce exposure to vibration particularly from the use on angle grinders.  Using manufacturer's data and the HSE guidance of doubling the stated vibration magnitude, which I know isn't the most scientific method, some hand held angle grinders only gave 10 minutes before you reached the vibration action value.  For us, angle grinders were also one of our higher noise sources so by employing other techniques for cutting/shaping the metal we were able to reduce both noise and vibration exposure.

chris42  
#7 Posted : 30 November 2016 17:06:45(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user
chris42

You may also want to look at the way the work piece is held when the grinding operation is caried out, this can make a big difference to noise produced. This will also benefit the users as well.

Users browsing this topic
Guest (3)
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.