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Hi,
A while back the guys in the warehouse were using a metal stillage (normally used to stack and store) to move and locate large boxes containing garden furniture. The stillage they were using was basically sitting on the forks of the lift truck, one guy driving and one in the stillage? "very unsafe and not recommended"
Anyway looking at the problem a man basket based on the stillage seemed like a good idea. We have cherry pickers, scissor lifts and VNA order pickers on site but neither can acheive the task of the large boxes. Max weight of the biggest box is only 95kg, it's more the bulk size of the box thats the problem and the stillage worked a treat "albeit unsafe"? Anyway we managed to get a local fabricator to make two forklift man baskets for the job. We managed to include all the safety features needed including full length fork pockets, backrest chain, fork heal anchor pins, and anchor points to hook a safety harness. A complete safe system of work is in place to ensure anyone using the basket is trained and the activity is monitored to avoid any unwanted behaviour. I know the use of man-baskets should be avoided when possible, but in this case its actually the best and safest solution for the task? The problem!
Although every effort has been taken to make it as complient as possible we have no data plate. I know the max weight of the cage and, as said the bulk size of the boxes would prevent lifting too much weight. I used an online load centre calculation to get a rough idea of the forklift / cage lift capacity. This came out at around 1200kg so to be a bit safer I made the max weight 300kg.
We have all machenary serviced and inspected regulaly, but can't get any kind of LOLER done for the cage as we have no details on a data plate.
My question?
Is there any companies (northeast england) that could sort out the true capacity, load centre and data plate? so we can comply with the LOLER's?
Sorry its long winded
thanks in advance
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You are aware that a man basket should only be used for unforeseen emergencies and not general day to day work? If you had an accident and the HSE got involved you'd need to prove it was for emergency works with the applicable RAMS and probably a rescue plan to go with it. and I'd have a look at the HSE guidance in relation to it, it should be PM28 for the document number.
Sorry, missed the bit about being aware etc, but still that wouldn't wash with the HSE... Edited by user 29 November 2016 17:33:31(UTC)
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I would certainly look at Guidance Note PM28 (Fourth edition) Working platforms (non-integrated) on forklift trucks http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/pm28.pdf has some really useful info.
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Originally Posted by: fattyfish  Hi,
A while back the guys in the warehouse were using a metal stillage (normally used to stack and store)to move and locate large boxes containing garden furniture. The stillage they were using was basically sitting on the forks of the lift truck, one guydriving and one in the stillage? "very unsafe and not recommended"
Anyway looking at the problem a man basket based on the stillage seemed like a good idea. We have cherry pickers, scissor lifts and VNA order pickers on site but neither can acheive the task of the large boxes. Max weight of the biggest box is only 95kg, it's morethe bulk size of the box thats the problem and the stillage worked a treat "albeit unsafe"?Anyway we managed to get a local fabricator to make two forklift man baskets for the job. We managed to include all the safety features needed including full length fork pockets, backrest chain, fork heal anchor pins, and anchor points to hook a safety harness. A complete safe system of work is in place to ensure anyone using the basket is trained and the activity is monitored to avoid any unwanted behaviour. I know the use of man-baskets should be avoided when possible, but in this case its actually the best and safest solution for the task?The problem!
Although every effort has been taken to make it ascomplient as possible we have no data plate. I know the max weight of the cage and, as said the bulk size of the boxes would prevent lifting too much weight. I used an online load centre calculation to get a rough idea of the forklift / cage lift capacity. This came out at around 1200kg so to be a bit safer I made the max weight 300kg.
We have all machenary serviced and inspected regulaly, but can't get any kind of LOLER done for the cage as we have no details on a data plate.
My question?
Is there any companies (northeast england) that could sort out the true capacity, load centre and data plate? so we can comply with the LOLER's?
Sorry its long winded
thanks in advance
This should have been sorted when you CE marked the equipment?
Why was it missed?
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Maybe because this piece of equipment must not be CE marked From PM 28:
78 Following discussions with the Working Group to the Standing Committee of
the Machinery Directive (2006/42/EC) it was agreed by all the Member States that
working platforms without controls do not meet the requirements of the Machinery
Directive. The Working Group agreed that non-integrated working platforms could
only be used under the exception in the Use of Work Equipment Directive (AUWED
89/655/EC amended by 95/63/EC) that allows the use of materials handling
equipment not designed to lift people in exceptional circumstances. This means
that non-integrated working platforms do not meet the Supply of Machinery (Safety)
Regulations 2008,11 that there is no free trade in Europe for non-integrated working
platforms and that non-integrated working platforms must not carry a CE mark.
Non-integrated working platforms may be supplied in the UK provided that they
are for use only in exceptional circumstances and they meet the requirements of
section 6 of the HSW Act.
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Originally Posted by: sidestep45  Maybe because this piece of equipment must not be CE marked From PM 28:
78 Following discussions with the Working Group to the Standing Committee of
the Machinery Directive (2006/42/EC) it was agreed by all the Member States that
working platforms without controls do not meet the requirements of the Machinery
Directive. The Working Group agreed that non-integrated working platforms could
only be used under the exception in the Use of Work Equipment Directive (AUWED
89/655/EC amended by 95/63/EC) that allows the use of materials handling
equipment not designed to lift people in exceptional circumstances. This means
that non-integrated working platforms do not meet the Supply of Machinery (Safety)
Regulations 2008,11 that there is no free trade in Europe for non-integrated working
platforms and that non-integrated working platforms must not carry a CE mark.
Non-integrated working platforms may be supplied in the UK provided that they
are for use only in exceptional circumstances and they meet the requirements of
section 6 of the HSW Act.
Who mentioned the Machinery Directive, I didn't..
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I must admit that im struggling as to how a man safe cage would be better that a scissor lift or VNA or why the large bulky items cannot be stored on pallets or the ground floor?
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