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Mcham2705  
#1 Posted : 25 January 2017 11:21:08(UTC)
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Mcham2705

Hello,

We are in the process of appointing a contractor to undertake roofing work at one of our sites.  The job will last approx. 8 weeks and with 12 contractors employees so I don't think falls into the notifiable bracket.  My question is, as the contractor will engage a sub-contractor to install scaffold and edge protection, does a principal designer need to be appointed?  

Can the contractor we appoint be both principal designer and principal contractor?

Many thanks in advance.

Ian Bell2  
#2 Posted : 25 January 2017 11:38:39(UTC)
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Ian Bell2

Will the number of men employed by the sub-contractor take you over the limit for notification?

You do have to appoint a PD, as there is more than 1 contractor (at least it is reasonably foreseeable). If you don't appoint a PD, you will be assumed to be the PD.

See Reg 5 of CDM.

Are your confident that the PC also has the skills/abilities to also be a PD?

The PC can be the PD, provided they have the qualifications/experience etc.

How are you going to check the PC has the qualifications & experience to be a PD?

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Mcham2705 on 25/01/2017(UTC)
Oldroyd19659  
#3 Posted : 25 January 2017 11:48:53(UTC)
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Oldroyd19659

Given it is like for like - roof replacement there does not sound like there is any design in the CDM sense of the word unless it is completely different and then there may be design interfaces.

As for the scaffold it will more than likely come a standard - by that I mean from the SG:20 Design Guide so there is no need for design statements, drawings, calculations or designer input.

As Ian said you do need to appoint a PD but it is very low level stuff, there is not enough info but a lot of Architects wil take on these duties for a fee as the PD role is about managing the interface from design to construction commencement.

Hope that helps

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Mcham2705 on 25/01/2017(UTC)
Mcham2705  
#4 Posted : 25 January 2017 12:04:01(UTC)
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Mcham2705

Thank you both for your help.

We will appoint a PD and do the necessary checks to ensure they are qualified to undertake the role.

Ian Bell2  
#5 Posted : 25 January 2017 12:30:26(UTC)
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Ian Bell2

WHile Oldroyd has a fair point about the design requirements, nevertheless the CDM definition of 'design' is very generic and hence has wide implications. So will probably still apply to the project you have.

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Mcham2705 on 25/01/2017(UTC)
RayRapp  
#6 Posted : 25 January 2017 17:33:15(UTC)
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RayRapp

The Principal Contractor can also be the Principal Designer. Indeed, for the type of work you are describing I would add it makes perfect sense for the PC to accept the role of PD. The client could adopt the role of PD, however the bureaucracy invloved is not worth the time and effort. In a simple project like this there is little extra work the PC would need to do to properly fulfil the role of PD and if they are qualified for the PC role they will be good for the PD role as well.   

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Mcham2705 on 26/01/2017(UTC)
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