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saferay  
#1 Posted : 07 March 2017 14:11:57(UTC)
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saferay

Good afternoon all.

Looking for some advice as to whether thermal imaging of electrical switchgear consitutes a suitable maintenance regime. Should we also, periodically, isolate the gear  and undertake a visual internal inspection as well?

Your thoughts and comments will be welcomed.

paul.skyrme  
#2 Posted : 07 March 2017 20:07:23(UTC)
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paul.skyrme

It depends.

Not enough information really.

What does your Electrical Engineer say? 

I don't mean electrician or electrical contractor by the way.

saferay  
#3 Posted : 07 March 2017 20:15:17(UTC)
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saferay

Paul

He's a bit sceptical as there is a need to balance the risk of switchgear failure and the risk that may be present from conducting the visual inspection. As for me, I don't think that thermal imaging alone will reveal all of the deterioration of the gear.

Regards

Roundtuit  
#4 Posted : 07 March 2017 20:33:34(UTC)
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Roundtuit

As with all "technology" how much will the provider guarantee? If they limit liability to the cost of their equipment it speaks volumes for how reliable they percieve their test equipment to be.

Given most underwriters who talk about business continuity look for "belt & braces" take it as what it is - an indicator, nothing more and nothing less.

Where thermal imaging has been used in previous employments this was solely as an indicator to identify items requiring a more thorough and frequent physical examination (typically confirming operator comment such as bearing 32 seems to be running hot).

Nice to hear of someone who doesn't want to join the "computer says" brigade (sorry just watching a programme on ALS related aircraft crashes - pilots failing to recognise autopilot says ground level 8' below actual)

Roundtuit  
#5 Posted : 07 March 2017 20:33:34(UTC)
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Roundtuit

As with all "technology" how much will the provider guarantee? If they limit liability to the cost of their equipment it speaks volumes for how reliable they percieve their test equipment to be.

Given most underwriters who talk about business continuity look for "belt & braces" take it as what it is - an indicator, nothing more and nothing less.

Where thermal imaging has been used in previous employments this was solely as an indicator to identify items requiring a more thorough and frequent physical examination (typically confirming operator comment such as bearing 32 seems to be running hot).

Nice to hear of someone who doesn't want to join the "computer says" brigade (sorry just watching a programme on ALS related aircraft crashes - pilots failing to recognise autopilot says ground level 8' below actual)

JCBushell  
#6 Posted : 08 March 2017 08:48:28(UTC)
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JCBushell

We use thermal imaging and vibration analysis on our plant machinery but they serve only as indicators as to which areas are high risk or require attention. The thermo report we use contains a traffic light system, so red coloured items would be the high risk, amber medium risk, green low risk.

These reports and their findings run alongside our TPM system (Total Productive Maintenance), where the each piece of machinery will have its own individual inspection carried out on a daily, weekly or monthly basis. These checks will then include the data from the thermo or vibration reports and we can adjust them accordingly - increase frequency of changing bearings, absorption pads, re-wire electrical panel etc.

Hope this helps.

paul.skyrme  
#7 Posted : 08 March 2017 19:31:32(UTC)
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paul.skyrme

OK,

Thermal imaging must be done under nominal or full load conditions to be of any use, doing it out of hours when the plant is shut down (for example) is worthless.

On fixed switchgear thermal imaging will highlight poor connections where excessive heat is being generated due to Joule heating, that is I^2R heating, the current is the current, thus it indicates connections with increased resistance.

As long as it is done correctly it does have a value in a maintenance regime.

It cannot replace physical inspections and electrical testing.

If one is getting changes for example year on year in fixed busbar systems, then you have a problem.

Changes in dynamically loaded & operated devices such as contactors there is more chance of detecting an operational failure due to say an imbalance, however, an imbalance across the contacts of a 3ph contactor could be due to a contactor fault, or due to a load issue.

So, all the thermal does, is say, look at xyz in more detail.

Is it valuable, yes, do I do it, yes.

You need to realise though that it realistically requires unhindered access to energised parts, so you need to be sure that the equipment is already in good condition prior to taking the covers off.

Done with sensible precautions it is safe, and a good tool, if you are insisting on dressing guys in full arc flash gear, then you really need to be looking at the condition and design of your systems before you look at doing thermal imaging, and having a ground up re-design, because the are not safe for use.

Keep asking if you want more info.

paul.skyrme  
#8 Posted : 08 March 2017 19:35:03(UTC)
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paul.skyrme

One thing, I forgot to add, I am looking at LV switchgear, that is < 1kV a.c.

Any HV stuff, is a completely different ballgame, and you really need a competent SAP to look at this and work with you.

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