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kiran  
#1 Posted : 10 March 2017 07:19:50(UTC)
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kiran

Hello, 

This is kiran, I am working for an LPG installation a deeply mined Cavern below ground. In the recent Audit findings we were out to point that we require vapour trap facility for our vicinity. i was deeply concerned about its requirement. Please help with suggestions.

peter gotch  
#2 Posted : 10 March 2017 13:20:54(UTC)
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peter gotch

Hi Kiran

Thread has been read 50 times without reply.

Think you probably need to provide more details about the LPG installation if you are going to get useful advice from forum members.

Ian Bell2  
#3 Posted : 11 March 2017 01:06:17(UTC)
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Ian Bell2

#3 I would guess the original poster is not in the UK. So while the principles of DSEAR may well be relevant but legally not applicable. As Peter says much more information is required to decide if a vapour trap is needed. #1 is asking about a process safety problem, with the information given you can't say 'a possible catastrophy' may occur. It might only be a small vent that doesn't operate very often with adequate ventilation etc with zonal classification so there is no electrical equipment and/or ignition sources present. Equally COMAH won't apply if #1 is overseas. There may be local similar legislation. Also, again from the information given in #1 you can't say if COMAH applies, even if in the UK. With out knowing the quantities of LPG on site, the site inventory may or may not exceed the COMAH threshold limits for COMAH to apply. COMAH is essentially about writing a safety case to justify why an installation is safe. COMAH is also about emergency planning in the event of a process safety incident. COMAH as such will say very little about specific technical LPG vapour trap requirements. I would not accept in #1 'an audit' stating/requiring a vapour trap to be installed. I would expect a recommendation for a vapour trap to originate from a process safety study, most likely a HAZOP study. It is usual to have a fully contained vapour capture/recovery system. In a surface installation any vapour release would probably go to a flare system, if a large installation like and oil refinery or offshore platform. . The original poster should find an appropriate engineering/technical standard on which to Base any further decisions on modifications to the plant under consideration. Possibly an API standard.
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Striker84 on 11/03/2017(UTC)
Roundtuit  
#4 Posted : 11 March 2017 21:07:17(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Hmm a disjunct in the postings #3 apparently replying to themself (which we know they were not) - how fares development of the edit / delete functionallity?

Edited by user 11 March 2017 21:09:06(UTC)  | Reason: FFS

Roundtuit  
#5 Posted : 11 March 2017 21:07:17(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Hmm a disjunct in the postings #3 apparently replying to themself (which we know they were not) - how fares development of the edit / delete functionallity?

Edited by user 11 March 2017 21:09:06(UTC)  | Reason: FFS

Ian Bell2  
#6 Posted : 11 March 2017 23:34:34(UTC)
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Ian Bell2

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