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mlacey83  
#1 Posted : 21 March 2017 15:31:27(UTC)
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mlacey83

Afternoon all,

I am looking into courses for our drivers for loading and securing plant onto lorries (articulated and trailers).

I have come across A49 and A50 which I believe they need cscs cards already and have also seen there is a course under the NPORS scheme.

My question is, is there any level of certificate needed by law by our drivers (apart from the relevant licenses for the vehicles) to prove they are competent in loading,unloading and transporting plant? Or is it down to the employers discretion.

Many thanks

DaveBridle  
#2 Posted : 21 March 2017 16:28:06(UTC)
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DaveBridle

Are you thinking of the CPCS (Construction Plant Competence Scheme). http://www.citb.co.uk/cards-testing/construction-plant-competence-scheme-cpcs/

mlacey83  
#3 Posted : 21 March 2017 16:41:43(UTC)
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mlacey83

Is this what lorry drivers need legally in order to transport plant? 

WatsonD  
#4 Posted : 22 March 2017 07:59:34(UTC)
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WatsonD

Hi miacey83,

If you have had no joy on here, then can I suggest you contact the DVLA/ DVSA direct?

https://www.gov.uk/contact-dvsa/y

grim72  
#5 Posted : 22 March 2017 11:38:22(UTC)
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grim72

Might also be worth checking out the ALLMI website - I've sent you a PM with details and additional information.

mlacey83  
#6 Posted : 23 March 2017 08:00:51(UTC)
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mlacey83

Thanks for the replies all.

grim72 - I believe the info you have sent me is for cranes, is that right? Interesting read but I work for a plant hire company and we load machines by driving them direct onto a low loader trailer.

From what I can gather there isn't any guidance or laws regarding the security of plant on a trailer when travelling on a road (for example, if a machine was to fall and injure a member of the public, what would the HSE ask to see to prove competance of those who secured the machine onto the trailer) and seems to be employers discretion regarding training, but I will continue to search.

Thanks again.

grim72  
#7 Posted : 23 March 2017 09:40:04(UTC)
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grim72

Apologies - misread as a lorry loader issue (ie hiab).

There is some excellent advice on this link https://www.gov.uk/gover...ehicle-operator-guidance

In particular you can download the document "European best practices guidelines on cargo securing for road transport" which has some detailed information.

With regards to a legal standpoint - I'd suggest it is covered by The Road Vehicles (Construction & Use) Regulations 1986 which states

‘The load carried by a motor vehicle or trailer shall at all times be so secured, if necessary by physical restraint other than its own weight, and be in such a position, that neither danger nor nuisance is likely to be caused to any person or property by reason of the load or any part thereof falling or being blown from the vehicle or by reason of any other movement of the load or any part thereof in relation to the vehicle.’

I did find a few trainer providers - I'll send you a PM with links but I've not used any of them personally so would not be able to offer any advice in terms of quality of training provided.

solidpine  
#8 Posted : 24 March 2017 09:30:48(UTC)
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solidpine

yorkshire driver training run a driver CPC course for securing loads they can even bespoke if required, they travel nationwide.

I used to work for them a decent company

Mr.Flibble2.0  
#9 Posted : 24 March 2017 12:09:32(UTC)
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Mr.Flibble2.0

This is what happens when loads are not secured properly: http://www.gazette-news.co.uk/news/13778047.UPDATED_Thursday_10_15am__Bus_and_HGV_carrying_steam_engine_collide/

The Bus Driver has since made a recovery and the Driver of the HGV was found to be at fault for not securing the sufficently.

chris42  
#10 Posted : 24 March 2017 12:22:57(UTC)
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chris42

IPAF do one. example of provider below sure there are others

http://www.alssafety.co.uk/course/ipaf-loadingunloading/

Regards

Chris

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