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Lynne  
#1 Posted : 29 March 2017 08:48:59(UTC)
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Lynne

HI

I have a welder who has a welding mask with a hole burnt in the top of it. I asked his supervisor to get him a new one, when I return from holiday I find that the mask has been repaired with fibreglass, apparantly this was done because a new mask would have cost over £200.

What are people's thoughts on this before I go and insist that he purchases a  new one.

Thanks in advance

Lynne

WatsonD  
#2 Posted : 29 March 2017 09:35:14(UTC)
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WatsonD

Hi Lynne,

I would imagine that this violates the manufaturers terms conditions and that liability for the products failure would now fall to you (?)

ADAM77  
#3 Posted : 29 March 2017 12:28:22(UTC)
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ADAM77

Hi Lynne, 

I would not look to modify PPE, the regulations will talk about good state of repair and good condition, also that modifications should be made by T&C persons i.e. the manufacturer to ensure 'like for like' component parts, therefore protecting against specific haz identified during design stage of that specific part of PPE. 

For less complex PPE basic fixes/repairs could be allowed. So no guarantee that it will still provide the correct level of protection after modification, therefore potentially it could ' fail to danger'. Plus, PPE will be CE marked - so a visible sign that the manufacturer of the product is declaring conformity with all of the Directives relating to that specific product.

So, in short I would look to purchase a new welding mask and maybe coach on PPE management/regs? 

Hope that is of some help

Regards

Lynne  
#4 Posted : 29 March 2017 12:30:32(UTC)
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Lynne

Thanks for the help, I was much thinking in the same way, just helps to have it corroborated.

Roundtuit  
#5 Posted : 29 March 2017 14:28:58(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Before proliferating waste have you considered if the damaged component is actually intrinsic to the designed functional operation in accordance with the applicable regulation?

The term welding mask doesn't give a clear picture of the device in question - searches indicate items ranging in price from £30 - £1000+ basic visor through to something akin to an astronaut helmet 

Roundtuit  
#6 Posted : 29 March 2017 14:28:58(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Before proliferating waste have you considered if the damaged component is actually intrinsic to the designed functional operation in accordance with the applicable regulation?

The term welding mask doesn't give a clear picture of the device in question - searches indicate items ranging in price from £30 - £1000+ basic visor through to something akin to an astronaut helmet 

Ron Hunter  
#7 Posted : 29 March 2017 14:35:27(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

You may also find that the hole wasn't created unintentionally....................

chris42  
#8 Posted : 29 March 2017 14:55:44(UTC)
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chris42

If the helmet got hot from work process before, how will fiberglass react to same heat levels. 

If hole was work related, probably needs a rethink of the process.

If the hole was just below the visor - how else is he suposed to smoke :o)

Sadly I have seen it done to masks

Chris

johnmurray  
#9 Posted : 02 April 2017 09:11:31(UTC)
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johnmurray

What are the emissions from the cured resin when the repair is heated. Has the welder any RPE to protect him/her from those? Did anybody even think of that?
Bob Hansler  
#10 Posted : 03 April 2017 12:40:11(UTC)
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Bob Hansler

New kit required... cost against Hazard/risk etc.?

Rob

billstrak  
#11 Posted : 05 April 2017 09:14:51(UTC)
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billstrak

Putting my head well above the parapet.......but here goes.

Of course any PPE supplier will tell you a new mask is required.

As previous post states.... it all really depends on the design and composition of the mask and what the risks are to the end user.

If it is purely to protect from flash, then I see no real reason why a local repair cannot be done provided a risk assessment has been conducted regarding the material and property of the substance being used.

chris.packham  
#12 Posted : 05 April 2017 10:07:32(UTC)
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chris.packham

My first reaction would have been to establish what caused the hole in the first place. The posting stated that the hole was in the top and was burnt. How? What was so hot in contact with the top of the hood to be able to burn a hole? If the hood was getting that hot it would suggest to me that something is wrong with the operation. Also at that temperature, asusming he was actually using the hood at the time and the top was geeting that hot, what would have been the effect on the welder?

If the hole was caused by some exposure not related to the actual welding operation and the hood would not get sufficiently hot to cause a problem, then perhaps a 'repair', properly carried out, might be acceptable. Many years ago, when working in the oil industry in Libya, I saw such a repair made which performed without a problem. (Getting a replacement in the Sahara desert was not that easy!) The temperature of the hood did not appear to be an issue.

Chris

Invictus  
#13 Posted : 05 April 2017 10:45:09(UTC)
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Invictus

Don't you just cover your eyes with your hands and look through the cracks of your fingers ; )

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