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Davidfilce  
#1 Posted : 28 April 2017 11:35:51(UTC)
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Davidfilce

Hi

I've never found the Plan Do Check Act process appropriately described


In particularly the Act section.

Surely this should be Review (which actually sounds quite poetically aesthetic)

In my opinion you Plan the task, Do it, Check the outcomes and Review the process in light of outcomes.

45001 is underpinned by PDCA, and the HSE supports the approach but suggesting the Act section means to Act on the outcomes is not the correct understanding of the process it needs to describe
RayRapp  
#2 Posted : 29 April 2017 09:26:29(UTC)
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RayRapp

You are probably correct, poor terminology or just semantics? 

aud  
#3 Posted : 01 May 2017 21:45:06(UTC)
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aud

Some say Plan, Do, Check,, reAct.
I prefer this as make more sense.
UncleFester  
#4 Posted : 02 May 2017 11:13:19(UTC)
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UncleFester

From experience it's usually a case of Plan, Do, Confuse, Abandon...

ExDeeps  
#5 Posted : 02 May 2017 11:41:06(UTC)
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ExDeeps

Until recently I would have agreed with the OP, but then I did some thinking and reflecting and realised that actually "act" is correct if you "act" on the things you found when you "checked", so yes "plan", then "do", then "check" the outcome and then "act" to modify / improve / change whatever needs changing. The "check" bit is actually the "review" part of the process

A Kurdziel  
#6 Posted : 02 May 2017 11:57:19(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

This comes from a draft biosafety standard

“An effective management system approach should be built on the concept of continual improvement through a cycle of planning, implementing, reviewing and improving the processes and actions that an organization undertakes to meet goals. This is known as the PDCA (Plan-Do-Check-Act) principle:

Plan: Planning, including identification of hazard and risk and establishing goals,

Do: Implementing, including training and operational issues,

Check: Checking, including monitoring and corrective action,

Act: Reviewing, including process innovation and acting to make needed changes to the

management system. “

So Act is about reviewing.

I always prefered POPIMAR but it is no longer flavour of the month   

toe  
#7 Posted : 03 May 2017 00:03:53(UTC)
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toe

Bring back POPIMAR. Especially the 'audit' part. PDCA is more akin to quality management rather than H&S specifically.

RobFitzmaurice  
#8 Posted : 03 May 2017 08:18:05(UTC)
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RobFitzmaurice

Originally Posted by: toe Go to Quoted Post

Bring back POPIMAR. Especially the 'audit' part. PDCA is more akin to quality management rather than H&S specifically.


I had forgotten about POPIMAR - This made much more sense and I still use this method (though I had forgotten that's what it was called).
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