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DavidGault  
#1 Posted : 06 June 2017 13:16:43(UTC)
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DavidGault

Following an occurrence in a business I worked with recently I found myself counting up the number of times I had come across dirty protests (people smearing excrement on walls or similar behaviour) and found that there were five such occurrences.  It is an unpleasnat and unhealthy form of behaviour and it made me wonder if I have been unlucky in working in businesses where it has happened or if it is a common occurrence.  Has anyone else out there encountered this?  Obviously I'm not after gory details but it might be more widespread in industry than I had thought.

jodieclark1510  
#2 Posted : 06 June 2017 13:28:03(UTC)
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jodieclark1510

My partner said he never had a week go by in the 6 years he was a prsion officer that there wan't a dirty protest.

I came across it a couple of times as a cleaner in University Accommodation- being offered an extra hour's pay to clean it up didn't make the job seem any more appealing funnily enough though!

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DavidGault on 06/06/2017(UTC)
Invictus  
#3 Posted : 06 June 2017 14:12:52(UTC)
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Invictus

Come across quite a few in my ten years in a prison as a Health and Safety bod. Never really got involved myself, but always felt a bit sorry for the clean up team even though they were prisoners, they were paid but I think £23 a week and that was just part of their duties.

I don't work there now but have recently come across two incidents both the same person who has menatal health issues.

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DavidGault on 06/06/2017(UTC)
DHM  
#4 Posted : 06 June 2017 14:14:21(UTC)
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DHM

I once minuted a disciplinary meeting for an employee who then decided it was time for a toilet break and he urinated up all of the walls of the cubicle. This was his way of objecting to the meeting, he lost his job.  

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DavidGault on 06/06/2017(UTC)
Invictus  
#5 Posted : 06 June 2017 14:22:43(UTC)
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Invictus

Just remebered and never thought of it as a dirty protest until DHM. I was at school with a kid who used to write Zorro in his own dirt in the toilets in school.

They caught him by watching the registers of who was in on the days it happened took them months but they got him in the end.

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DavidGault on 06/06/2017(UTC)
Elfin Davy 09  
#6 Posted : 06 June 2017 15:41:20(UTC)
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Elfin Davy 09

Thanks for that Invictus, I'll never be able to think of "The Mark of Zorro" in the same way again !!  :-)

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DavidGault on 07/06/2017(UTC), Jackson43278 on 08/06/2017(UTC)
sappery760  
#7 Posted : 07 June 2017 06:27:11(UTC)
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sappery760

Dealt with this on a number of occasions e.g. The general public and employees; especially around redundances and working change issues

A: Firstly give the problem to management as its a management issue

B: Second do all that U can to provide management with education about the issue from the H&S angle NB: we found that office toilets were hit the most not the front line

There are very few public toilets around these days and this was one of the factors presented to justify closures

best of luck

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DavidGault on 07/06/2017(UTC)
Zyggy  
#8 Posted : 07 June 2017 14:05:16(UTC)
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Zyggy

David, yes we had something similar in an office environment where toilets were being daubed. We involved the Trade Unions as it was their staff who had to clean it up & decided to put laminated posters in the cubicles offering confidential help from our welfare service to try & tackle what the cause of the protest was. This appeared to stop the protest in its tracks,.
james fleming  
#9 Posted : 07 June 2017 19:47:54(UTC)
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james fleming

Unfortunately I have had first hand experience of this.  Through the Scottish Prison Service.  It was mainly kept to the Segregation area and very rarely occurred in mainstream population.  This was in various establishments but here was one in particular that almost half of those in Segregation were on the dirty protest. 

My experience was probably over a year working in wall to wall dripping human excrement.  I kid you not, it was everywhere.

In this setting it was extra ordinally difficult in managing the mess as there was invariably a violence threat we also had to deal with on a daily basis.

There was risk assessment, injections, showers, cells being cleaned daily it was exceptionally demanding. 

rs10  
#10 Posted : 08 June 2017 12:29:10(UTC)
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rs10

I concur with all that has been posted previously.  In my time with HMPS we even managed to fund specialist training for prisoners to carry out cleaning - this saved a fortune in call-outs to the contractor and time.  As the Residential governors were always after cell occupancy levels to be maintained!

Some of the inmates after being released then gained employment with the specialist cleaning companies.  As others have siad - various immunisations were carried out etc.

nic168  
#11 Posted : 08 June 2017 12:40:32(UTC)
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nic168

 Reading this I realise that we had a  milder version of this as a problem when I was at school in the early '80s. all girl school. It was handled discretely, so much so that I have only just realised what the regular statements in assemply were all about.

gramsay  
#12 Posted : 08 June 2017 15:53:14(UTC)
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gramsay

In a previous job I looked after a team cleaning and sweeping for needles in void properties (also occaisionally properties where an occupant on remand would be unexpectedly released and arrive home to find us...).

Every bodily product imagineable could be found, as well as decomposing food, vermin etc. Not just indoors but in communal playpark areas, wherever.

Spending time out on the job with this team was some of the most rewarding (and humbling) H&S work I've ever done. These guys are paid about what a shop worker earns, and the level of focus, skill and decision-making they exhibit is something that's stuck with me ever since.

stevebates  
#13 Posted : 09 June 2017 15:23:56(UTC)
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stevebates

When I worked on a refinery in North East Lincolnshire there were numerous times this happened. Mainly by discruntled employees and others who thought they had a point to prove. The culprits were never found but the stance taken by the refinery was instant dismissal and it stopped. 

Pretty disgusting people to do it but, they are amongst us and need identifying as if they are capable of doing that, what else are they capable of?

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