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mlacey83  
#1 Posted : 29 June 2017 07:56:00(UTC)
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mlacey83

Can anyone here advise me on the easisest and safest way to test the 15 smoke alarms we have in our office building?

At the moment I carry a step ladder around but this is time consuming on a weekly basis, and also not always particularly safe as I sometimes have to lean and I don't feel comfortable doing this alone.

Any ideas gratefully received.

walker  
#2 Posted : 29 June 2017 07:58:26(UTC)
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walker

long garden cane?

mlacey83  
#3 Posted : 29 June 2017 08:00:06(UTC)
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mlacey83

Originally Posted by: walker Go to Quoted Post

long garden cane?

I was wondering this, as it's not equipment made for purpose, does that make a difference? (I use a broom handle at home but wasn't sure if there were any implication in the work place)

Bob Hansler  
#4 Posted : 29 June 2017 08:00:46(UTC)
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Bob Hansler

I have to ask... what tests are you doing?  Smoke tests on a weekly?  or alarm sounders and manual call points?

I respectfully suggest that if you have to lean off-balance on a step-ladder... you need to have a sit down and talk to a safety bod and take a course on Working At Height!!! ASAP

mlacey83  
#5 Posted : 29 June 2017 08:06:56(UTC)
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mlacey83

Originally Posted by: Bob Hansler Go to Quoted Post

I have to ask... what tests are you doing?  Smoke tests on a weekly?  or alarm sounders and manual call points?

I respectfully suggest that if you have to lean off-balance on a step-ladder... you need to have a sit down and talk to a safety bod and take a course on Working At Height!!! ASAP

The office doesn't have an electronic alarm system, it has various smoke alarms around the building and I have been manually checking them weekly, the same way I check at home. There is one smoke alarm which I can't get a step ladder directly under.

Bob Hansler  
#6 Posted : 29 June 2017 08:12:21(UTC)
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Bob Hansler

You need a better plan.

Bob

Hsquared14  
#7 Posted : 29 June 2017 08:22:05(UTC)
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Hsquared14

Are these stand alone smoke detector units which you can get at DIY stores?  The ones where you press a button to check that they work.  In which case a cane or broom handle seems to be the best option.   Given the type of unit that they are I don't think you need to test them every week as the BS for fire alarm systems doesn't apply to stand alone detectors.  On a weekly basis I would check visually for damage, cobwebs or anything obstructing them and look to see if tell tale lights are on if they are incorporated into the units.   I would do an operational check monthly rather than weekly.

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mlacey83 on 29/06/2017(UTC)
mlacey83  
#8 Posted : 29 June 2017 08:24:35(UTC)
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mlacey83

Originally Posted by: Bob Hansler Go to Quoted Post

You need a better plan.

Bob

We had a fire protection company come in last year and they confirmed our escape routes, emergency plan, fire doors, extinguishers and smoke alarms we have in place were suitable to this particular building. 

Can you elaborate please, so I can question them?  I have no experience in this and they were brought in as the experts.

I was under the impression the alarms had to be tested weekly.

mlacey83  
#9 Posted : 29 June 2017 08:30:02(UTC)
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mlacey83

Originally Posted by: Hsquared14 Go to Quoted Post

Are these stand alone smoke detector units which you can get at DIY stores?  The ones where you press a button to check that they work.  In which case a cane or broom handle seems to be the best option.   Given the type of unit that they are I don't think you need to test them every week as the BS for fire alarm systems doesn't apply to stand alone detectors.  On a weekly basis I would check visually for damage, cobwebs or anything obstructing them and look to see if tell tale lights are on if they are incorporated into the units.   I would do an operational check monthly rather than weekly.

Yes, they are the stand alone type. I tried to find the info on GOV website but there wasn't a clear answer that I could see, so have done weekly to be safe rather than sorry. I can do visual checks when I check the extinguishers so that's not a problem. 

Thank you that is very helpful

walker  
#10 Posted : 29 June 2017 09:08:27(UTC)
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walker

Originally Posted by: mlacey83 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: walker Go to Quoted Post

long garden cane?

I was wondering this, as it's not equipment made for purpose, does that make a difference? (I use a broom handle at home but wasn't sure if there were any implication in the work place)

You are worrying its equipment not made for purpose, but are needlessly using a ladder ???? 

KISS

Kate  
#11 Posted : 29 June 2017 09:17:56(UTC)
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Kate

Much better to use a broom handle than a stepladder.  Consider - what could go wrong in each case?

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mlacey83 on 29/06/2017(UTC)
UncleFester  
#12 Posted : 29 June 2017 09:34:14(UTC)
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UncleFester

Start with the heirarchy of control - eliminate the risk. So, get someone else to do it.... or

How have you determined that all 15 smoke alarms need testing every week? As already suggested, I would look at the data that you must already have that may give you an indication of battery failures, dead alarms etc. then decide if you can reduce the frequency from weekly.

How do you currently test the one that you can't get a step ladder under? Does it get tested at all? Could you move whatever is underneath it, or have the smoke alarm moved to a better position?

Sorry, more questions than suggestions but we may need more information before offering a better solution.

Hsquared14  
#13 Posted : 29 June 2017 10:12:05(UTC)
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Hsquared14

As the stand alone units are mainly intended for domestic applications there won't be anything on the Gov websites.  BUT they are a useful alternative to hard wired systems in low risk environments.  The professionals who test smoke alarms in hard wired systems use an extendable pole and don't use stepladders so I don't see why you shouldn't do so too.  Just go to your nearest DIY store and get an extendable handle that is used on paint rollers that should give you plenty of reach and keep you safe.  Do a visual inspection weekly and test the battery monthly, don't forget each time you test you drain the battery a bit so you will be increasing the number of times you need to use a stepladder to change the batteries.

peter gotch  
#14 Posted : 29 June 2017 12:06:28(UTC)
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peter gotch

Originally Posted by: Bob Hansler Go to Quoted Post

I respectfully suggest that if you have to lean off-balance on a step-ladder... you need to have a sit down and talk to a safety bod and take a course on Working At Height!!! ASAP

Which is perhaps exactly why he's come onto the forum. Others have been more constructive with their responses.
Bob Hansler  
#15 Posted : 29 June 2017 12:29:55(UTC)
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Bob Hansler

Perter.. the answers I gave was the opnly one.

Try this then.  A number of offices.. seperate smoke alarms.  One office is empty at the time a fire starts.  The alarms are not limked so just the one works (or not)  Noone hears the distent alarm or the sounder is not working.  Some one sees the fire... but no manual push to hand.. 

If anyone thinks that a long cane is the answer as opposed to a course in WaH then we are doomed.

The regs are the starting line not the finish!

Have a nice day

Bob Hansler  
#16 Posted : 29 June 2017 12:34:40(UTC)
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Bob Hansler

Spelling blackout... sorry about that.  I hit the send button too soon.

Peter.. the answer I gave was the only one.

Try this then.  A number of offices.. separate smoke alarms.  One office is empty at the time a fire starts.  The alarms are not linked so just the one works (or not)  None hears the distant alarm or the sounder is not working.  Some one sees the fire... but no manual push to hand.. 

If anyone thinks that a long cane is the answer as opposed to a course in WaH then we are doomed.

The regs are the starting line not the finish!

Have a nice day

achrn  
#17 Posted : 29 June 2017 12:58:04(UTC)
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achrn

Originally Posted by: Bob Hansler Go to Quoted Post

If anyone thinks that a long cane is the answer as opposed to a course in WaH then we are doomed.

You seem to be advocating doing a course so the OP can do the work at height in preference to not working at height.  That's the reverse of the normal hierarchy of controls, is it not?  Why do you think it's better to do a work at height course than to eliminate the need to work at height?

Bob Hansler  
#18 Posted : 29 June 2017 13:09:24(UTC)
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Bob Hansler

Well a working at height course would indicate that what he is doing is wrong.  Good sense indicates that leaning off a ladder is wrong.  Therefoe the thinking pattern needs to change.  Get a good alarm system in place and let the proffesionals keep you safe.

Better use a cane then.

Bob Hansler  
#19 Posted : 29 June 2017 13:43:59(UTC)
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Bob Hansler

OK, I'll design one for you.

6X offices with the little round alams from B&Q.  Install as per the manufactures instructions. Get the ones that can be linked with a1.5mm  3-core plus CPC cable.  Take the live/earth/neutral from the local lighting circuit  and connect them all up as per instructions.  Test the cirecuit as per BS7671 and issue a minor works certificate etc. 

If you now use the test push on the easiest one, all the alarms sound. 

Bob

mlacey83  
#20 Posted : 29 June 2017 13:57:47(UTC)
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mlacey83

Originally Posted by: Kate Go to Quoted Post

Much better to use a broom handle than a stepladder.  Consider - what could go wrong in each case?

You are right, thank you Kate. I am having to re-train my mind to this way of thinking and the risks and potential consequences of using the ladder far outweigh a broom handle.

Bob Hansler  
#21 Posted : 29 June 2017 15:51:22(UTC)
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Bob Hansler

Silly old me.  Here I am thinking that the domestic type alarms are not designed to be poked with a broom handle.  I thought the units had test pushes that were designed to be used by soft and gentle finger tips and not by someone waving a big stick.  Have you people ever seen how flimsy the switching mechanism of this units are? 

Bob

mlacey83  
#22 Posted : 29 June 2017 16:08:26(UTC)
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mlacey83

Originally Posted by: Bob Hansler Go to Quoted Post

Silly old me.  Here I am thinking that the domestic type alarms are not designed to be poked with a broom handle.  I thought the units had test pushes that were designed to be used by soft and gentle finger tips and not by someone waving a big stick.  Have you people ever seen how flimsy the switching mechanism of this units are? 

Bob

I really don't understand why you have to be so rude when I am simply asking for advice. 

It is obvious I am inexperienced and looking for guidance, yet you are being sarcastic and going out of your way to make me feel stupid. It's unnecessary. 

Thank you to everyone else for your advice, after an afternoon searching I have spoken to a company who can provide telescopic devices designed specifically to test these types of smoke alarms and have contacted my local fire authority for premises visit/ premises specific information.

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WatsonD on 04/07/2017(UTC)
Stuart Smiles  
#23 Posted : 29 June 2017 16:59:20(UTC)
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Stuart Smiles

Hi, 

during writing this, some questions relating to your post are: 

Why do you not have call points mentioned as well? What about emergency lighting? first aid and training? 

If you look at the docs/service records, you will have been supplied previously, and fire risk assessment, it will provide pointers of what to look for, and when talking to and going round with the engineers and sales people (and asking why), they typically reference standard numbers and parts. 

When questioning further, ask the considerations about why the site fits the classification made, as this means that different requirements need to be met. 

With reference to stand-alone smoke alarms:

Have a look at the Kidde Range - KF10 & KF30 etc as can operate/sound together together as discussed in one of the previous posts, and are dual powerable - mains and battery back up, and there is a remote test and hush device too. 

 http://www.kiddesafetyeurope.co.uk/ProductInformation/Pages/Firex-Smoke-Heat-Alarms.aspx 

http://www.kiddesafetyeurope.co.uk/Documents/Product_Selector_Advice_Sheet.pdf 

I got some for the house as the older model version ones we had (networkable) were no longer available for sale and new type did not interface to the older verson we had- replacing with 2 ionising & one heat near kitchen (old one was sensative to toast).

We purchased new from yess electrical, other vendors are listed on the manufacturer website/link attached.

Obviously as was stated by others, electrical works, thought and design would be required, and whilst doing it would be worth reviewing emergency lighting at the same time, upgrade when doing to LED ones also linked to lighting circuits and designed appropriate to your needs. (led ones better for 3 hours of light off battery).

a doodle on building plans and discussion over what's where, accessible, and where it could be that may be better is always a good start.

if you don't have some plans, do some boxes in powerpoint to make it easy to draw on a basic level, or doodle on paper then transfer/update with someone.  

 documents and standards referenced will be: 

http://www.fia.uk.com/resources/british-standards/bs-5839-series.html - reference of documents and what for

Part B Building Regulations other than dwellinghouses 

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/441669/BR_PDF_AD_B2_2013.pdf

Getting standards: 

can be bought from british standards online: http://shop.bsigroup.com/ 

Other fire alarm systems are available, for a list of vendors, have a look at the firex show exhibitors and talk to your fire person you referenced in your earlier post/fire risk assessor.  

http://www.firex.co.uk/exhibitors -list of companies at show last week, websites and contacts. 

good luck

 

 

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mlacey83 on 30/06/2017(UTC)
Stuart Smiles  
#24 Posted : 29 June 2017 18:19:13(UTC)
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Stuart Smiles

these may also be of interest in terms of questions that need to be asked, who and how?

http://www.fia.uk.com/fire-safety-advice.html

Guide to choosing a fire risk assessor

fire risk assessors competency criteria 

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mlacey83 on 30/06/2017(UTC)
chris42  
#25 Posted : 30 June 2017 08:10:09(UTC)
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chris42

Sounds like a perfect opportunity to get your hands on a drone and as they say better than a poke in the eye from a sharp stick :o)

You will not even have to get up from your desk if you get one with a camera.

It is Friday after all and though the mood could do with lightening a bit

Who said H&S can’t be fun  :o)

Andrew W Walker  
#26 Posted : 30 June 2017 08:38:56(UTC)
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Andrew W Walker

Originally Posted by: chris42 Go to Quoted Post

Sounds like a perfect opportunity to get your hands on a drone and as they say better than a poke in the eye from a sharp stick :o)

You will not even have to get up from your desk if you get one with a camera.

It is Friday after all and though the mood could do with lightening a bit

Who said H&S can’t be fun  :o)

Two great minds!!! and all that...

I asked my boss for a drone so I could do site inspections from my desk and monitor staff to make sure they are working safely. One with a speaker so I could bark at them too.

He told me I needed the exercise...

Andy

mlacey83  
#27 Posted : 30 June 2017 09:10:52(UTC)
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mlacey83

Originally Posted by: chris42 Go to Quoted Post

Sounds like a perfect opportunity to get your hands on a drone and as they say better than a poke in the eye from a sharp stick :o)

You will not even have to get up from your desk if you get one with a camera.

It is Friday after all and though the mood could do with lightening a bit

Who said H&S can’t be fun  :o)

My boss has one in his office funnily enough! 

mlacey83  
#28 Posted : 30 June 2017 09:20:39(UTC)
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mlacey83

Originally Posted by: Stuart Smiles Go to Quoted Post

Why do you not have call points mentioned as well? What about emergency lighting? first aid and training? 

We have first aiders and fire marshalls on the premises, LED emergency lighting just installed in a refurb. No call points as no electronic system to connect them to but gas air horns placed on emergency response boards around the building, located by fire extinguishers and smoke alarms.

Thank you for your reply, it's full of information which I will study today and discuss with my local fire authority who I am speaking to this afternoon. 

Bob Hansler  
#29 Posted : 30 June 2017 10:49:36(UTC)
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Bob Hansler

Poking alarms with a stick?  leaning out to test something that could be moved to a safe position and then you get people mentioning canes etc.  Not a lot more to say.

I even suggested a cheap way of  getting it better than what is is.  Read into the words what you like.  It's you who have the problem not me. As for the people you had in to inspect the layout, are they the same people who inspect tower blocks?

Bob

Stuart Smiles  
#30 Posted : 30 June 2017 10:53:45(UTC)
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Stuart Smiles

when you get your fire bod round, just talk to them and listen to what they have to say, and where the emphasis is. 

they are human after all and will see you are trying, they will probably offer suggestions if you can engage with them in the right way, then take some pictures before and after to show what you have and what the new setup will be like, taking notes about what they have to say. 

also think about an emergency fire box/pack and plans of the site/doodle for isolation of services and knowing where everything is so that you have information to hand.  

they may also want someone's or a few people's phone numbers in the event of a fire, think about who is best to give as it'll stay on their system, and location of key paperwork, perhaps test evacuation when they get there so can see for themselves how long it takes and evacuation times etc. - with air horn type of device to get everyone out as you don't have a central alarm. 

who are key holders and how do you get access if the power is off? do you store winding handles for roller shutter doors and have some access to site. 

could you mark up what drains are foul sewer and which are surface water, where is the nearest hydrant. 

how do they get in the gate if it's locked up? 

where are fire risks and chemicals? etc after people are out? 

asbestos and compressed gasses on site? 

start with the start and go from there.

 

chris42  
#31 Posted : 30 June 2017 12:04:16(UTC)
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chris42

I think it is an office !

Invictus  
#32 Posted : 30 June 2017 12:59:13(UTC)
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Invictus

I love the way people will suggest things that are nowhere near a safe method, now we tell people to do a working at height course because it will show them that they are doing it the wrong way. What is wrong with using a cane? the button is meant to be pressed and if you can't reach it why climb. 

Smoke detectors are not just used in domestic premises they are used in a number of areas, they are even used in some prisons as alternative to trying to use a fixed systems in cells.

This appears to be an office environment and therefore relatively minor risks. A fixed hard wired system would be great but they don't have it so testing using a cane I would never see as a problem. Not sure I would test them all weekly but I would split into a month and test so many each week.

Isn't it great the way we welcome new users even when they tell us that they do not have experienece in the matter and was looking for advice.

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Bob Hansler  
#33 Posted : 30 June 2017 13:23:05(UTC)
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'I sometimes have to lean and I don't feel comforable doing this alone'.  Says it all really.  A WaH course would help. As I said  in a post above.  The regs are the base line etc.  Use a stick by all means if you're happy with that fine, crack on.

Get a linked system put in if you can. As Invictus says, these alarms are used in a number of places...and because they are used in this way it makes them a safe system?  (Look up to the sky, I can see Santa... )

If all you can do if advice someone to poke a stick at an alarm... ask the manufacture or read the instructions.

Invictus  
#34 Posted : 30 June 2017 13:41:25(UTC)
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Invictus

Just read instructions and it just says "to test push button" it shows a finger being used for the pre installation test but it doesn't as a weekly test.  It also shows how to clean it and shows a long pole on the hoover so if you can hoover it with a long pole then you can gentally test it with a cane. If you do not like doing it this way buy a false finger and stick it on the cane, I cannot see anywhere that says it must be tested by a real finger.

Or you could take an expensive WAH course and then realise under the heiracy of control 'if you can do it without working at height then you should' then go and buy a cane. cost of cane £1.00 cost of WAH course £120.00 for the day. I remember people kept telling me H&S is a matter of common sense

Kate  
#35 Posted : 01 July 2017 21:12:29(UTC)
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Kate

I am embarrassed that someone who has quite rightly spotted a problem and asked for advice on how to solve it has received such hostile treatment here.

This isn't the way to engage people in safety or to develop safety culture, or indeed to give safety professionals a good name.

paul.skyrme  
#36 Posted : 02 July 2017 15:13:11(UTC)
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paul.skyrme

It is a shame that Rob has been banned, he has extensive knowledge and competence in electrical installations and fire alarm systems.

He does tend to shoot from the hip as it were, and speak his mind, he does have some very valid points in his posts, but, he could have worded the responses a little better.

Now, to pick up on this thread.

The stand alone detectors such as it sounds like are fitted in the OP's scenario, such as one would procure to fit in the home.

IMHO there is one brand that leads above all others, I won't mention them here for fear of breaching forum rules, but they are made in Ireland, and the company name is 4 letters A***.

Their alarms are built in accordance with BS 5446-2 (heat) & BS EN 14604 (Ionisation, Optical), their combined unit complies with both.

Now, I am a trained expert installer for this manufacturer, (hence why I won't name them), however, I am not an expert on BS 5839-1:2013 Fire detection and fire alarm systems for buildings. Code of practice for design, installation, commissioning and maintenance of systems in non-domestic premises.

The training is more aligned to BS 5839-6:2013, Fire detection and fire alarm systems for buildings. Code of practice for the design, installation, commissioning and maintenance of fire detection and fire alarm systems in domestic premises.

The reason for this is that the standards that their units are built to are defined in the standards 5446 for dwellings, and 14606 for household or similar residential & leisure vehicles.

There is no mention in the standards for these stand-alone devices that they are suitable for commercial, offices, shops, or industrial etc.

Therefore, I suspect that in the event of a claim the OP’s insurance provider might be interested in why they were utilising devices that were not declared suitable by the manufacturer, they can’t because the standards they design and build to, do not cover anything other than “domestic/residential”.

As far as testing goes, unfortunately Rob is right, with regard to the switches, they are extremely delicate, as was said “poking them with a stick” is not a good plan.

As far as WAH goes then that’s up to you, but AFAIK, the first rule in the hierarchy of control is don’t do it.

With a commercial grade system to BS5839-1 then there would be no need for WAH, or individual testing of the units.

I mean these units by A*** can be interlinked wirelessly, and can include CO alarms and they can all sound together in the event of an alarm, and, there is a remote wireless test switch that will test the alarms, hush all but the one activated, and tell you whether the activation is, and indicate whether it is a smoke or a CO, they can have interface modules to other devices with volt-free contacts, and visual add-ons for the hard of hearing, but, they still don’t cut the mustard for commercial.

They even have a mobile app to read the status of each individual head, or a wireless dongle so you can connect via a laptop, but that still does not make them a commercial grade system.

The poles used by the pro’s for testing high level detectors, are not for pushing buttons, they are for introducing test “smoke” to the devices or other physical fire simulation.

FWIW, A*** require that their alarms are tested weekly, so in that respect the OP is doing the correct thing.

IMHO, however, & I hasten to add, I am not a fire safety expert, and even though the location may be low risk, these devices as installed are not suitable and sufficient for the risk as I see it, and never could be given the information provided by the manufacturer I deal with.

The issue with using a pole or cane is that the method of application is different using different muscles etc. so the forces that can be applied without realising could be well in excess of that which could be reasonably applied with a finger, and also, the “pole” could pierce or damage the push button exterior, that is without the potential excessive force damaging the switching mechanisms within the alarms.

So, as I see it, WAH, wrong, pole wrong, alarm units wrong for the environment.

No matter what the fire safety bods have said, to date, I fail to see how they can recommend a device which is specified by the OEM as only suitable for domestic dwelling type applications via the design & build standard are suitable for anything else.

If I were you, you need to get a written statement from both your fire safety “bods” & the device OEM, that these devices, your specific ones are suitable for the application in your installed environment, then run this past your insurer, because at the moment, I suspect that you are un-insured, possibly and in breach of several pieces of legislation.

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mlacey83 on 04/07/2017(UTC)
mlacey83  
#37 Posted : 04 July 2017 07:46:17(UTC)
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mlacey83

Originally Posted by: Invictus Go to Quoted Post

Just read instructions and it just says "to test push button" it shows a finger being used for the pre installation test but it doesn't as a weekly test.  It also shows how to clean it and shows a long pole on the hoover so if you can hoover it with a long pole then you can gentally test it with a cane. If you do not like doing it this way buy a false finger and stick it on the cane, I cannot see anywhere that says it must be tested by a real finger.

Or you could take an expensive WAH course and then realise under the heiracy of control 'if you can do it without working at height then you should' then go and buy a cane. cost of cane £1.00 cost of WAH course £120.00 for the day. I remember people kept telling me H&S is a matter of common sense

I have actually found a company who provide sticks with fingers on for this purpose! 

http://www.goodpointcampaign.com

They are designed for domestic use but I spoke to a gentleman who has developed some longer poles (1m) and he is sending me these to trial in the office. 

mlacey83  
#38 Posted : 04 July 2017 07:58:18(UTC)
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mlacey83

Thank you everyone for your advice, I have printed the responses and am working my way through all the information, to take to my MD. Luckily for me he is very supportive of Health and Safety and I think with this research I can now do, he will support changes to our system.

paul.skyrme - I didn't even consider the insurance aspect - thank you.

I will update you all once our local fire authority have visited and changes have been advised.

Kate  
#39 Posted : 04 July 2017 10:51:49(UTC)
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Kate

I look forward to hearing how it all turns out.  You've been impressively proactive on this.

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