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Good afternoon all, I was wondering if someone could please help me out here. A friend of mine had just call me to carry out a risk assessment for his small area panel beating shop, where he restore accident vehicle back to their factory state. I am unsure here, if there would be requirement for the installation of a fire alarm, as I believe that once he start welding there would always be smoke and this will trigger the alarm, which will be deemed as false alarm. Please is fire alarm required in this area? and if yes, any suggestions on the best or most appropriateone. Many Thanks Atomfab
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A Fire Risk Assessment by a competent person would identify if a smoke alarm is required based on other factors associated with the premises. That said, if a smoke alarm is likely to be activated due to normal works - for example, due to welding fumes, then a heat detector (alarm) might be the answer.
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The subject of competence in FRA was a significant consideration in this evenings ITV Tonight programme about High Rise buildings post Grenfell (no further comment as the mods. are quite rightly monitoring all matters Grenfell in these forums)
It has also been the subject of many reponses to various questions on this forum which distill to "if you aren't confident with what you are doing - don't do it" It is unfortunate many "friends" of H&S professionals seek unpaid advice. The problem being when the proverbial hits the fan the defence will alway be "we asked an expert, your honour" Just some considerations - the Metropolitan Police are currently investigating 60+ companies in relation to Grenfell, H&S fines are at all time highs and current consultation could result in up to 18 year prison terms Are you prepared to be in the dock/prison/poor house for this friendship? Personally my friends (and family) know that I will guide them to competent advice but will not directly provide the same as I am neither consultant nor do I hold Professional Indemnity Insurance to cover any advice provided.
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The subject of competence in FRA was a significant consideration in this evenings ITV Tonight programme about High Rise buildings post Grenfell (no further comment as the mods. are quite rightly monitoring all matters Grenfell in these forums)
It has also been the subject of many reponses to various questions on this forum which distill to "if you aren't confident with what you are doing - don't do it" It is unfortunate many "friends" of H&S professionals seek unpaid advice. The problem being when the proverbial hits the fan the defence will alway be "we asked an expert, your honour" Just some considerations - the Metropolitan Police are currently investigating 60+ companies in relation to Grenfell, H&S fines are at all time highs and current consultation could result in up to 18 year prison terms Are you prepared to be in the dock/prison/poor house for this friendship? Personally my friends (and family) know that I will guide them to competent advice but will not directly provide the same as I am neither consultant nor do I hold Professional Indemnity Insurance to cover any advice provided.
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https://www.google.co.uk...kiw3eB5F4eoUcThdO3m-XKeA
Perhaps worth a look to find someone for you.
Always worth asking others in the same industry who they use and where they decided to go to find if there is a settled opinion on how such issues are resolved in their environment.
Push alarm points may be answer rather that automatic detection in specific areas, depending on zoning in the buildings etc, however you need to discuss your needs with your assessor for your site.
You also need to look at the chemicals (gunwash, thinners, washes for spray bits, storage of acetylene& oxy. In the event of fire with bottles present, the fire service have procedures for gas bottles. Need to discuss the impact of them to what you would expect would happen. (External cage every night?) Removed from working area to prevent issues, stability of storage trolley and handling, how you get to and from the suppliers (Or they to you).
Other activities to segregate from one another, which affect each other, clothing transference and absorption of chemicals.
As there are so many things you need to sit down with the people to discuss your environment, so pick someone you can get on with.
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Useful info (?)
http://www.hse.gov.uk/risk/casestudies/pdf/mvr.pdf
There needs to be a means of raising the alarm. That can be an old fashioned hand-bell or (in quieter workplaces) shouting FIRE!
Very small wokplaces (e.g. single open workshop with separate toilet/office etc. are unlikely to need detectors for life safety.
If you can, keep welding sets (gas bottles) on trolleys near an escape so they can easily be taken to a safe place. Make sure there's a decent flamm vault for thinners, paints, etc. and that only minimum amounts are used at the point of work. Good Housekeeping.
What is important is that everyone knows what to do in an emergency. Avoid situations where everyone stands outside watching the building burn..............but no-one has called the Fire Brigade.
Yes, it does happen.
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