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pip306  
#1 Posted : 23 October 2017 10:29:10(UTC)
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pip306

Hi 

Does anyone know if there are any actual occupational health only training courses for H&S advisors covering health surveillance, stress, wellbeing, occ diseases that kind of thing.

All i seem to get when i google or look at IOSH etc is Msc NVQ which i am doing or courses for nurses who would be dealing with occ health diseases etc. 

Thanks

chris.packham  
#2 Posted : 23 October 2017 10:58:31(UTC)
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chris.packham

Occupational health ia an enormously wide and highly complex field. Occupational health practitioners are usually qualified nurses who have then trained specially in the occupational health aspects. Someone without the necessary background knowledge would find it difficult to be sufficiently au fait with the many different aspects. A qualified occupational health practitioner would need to do the full training (NEBOSH diploma) to be fully qualified on occupational safety, or alternatively the courses to qualify as a certified occupational hygienist.

A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing. I see cases where action has been taken with the best of intentions, but where the lack of knowledge in the specific health aspect has resulted in this action actually making things worse.

Chris

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pip306  
#3 Posted : 23 October 2017 11:14:36(UTC)
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pip306

Hi Chris thank you for the reply. 

i am a qualified safety practtioner however the depth of health surevillance and occ health most H&S courses go into is limited. we wanted someone to give us an overview for our own in house knowledge to interpret recommendations from OH etc at present we solely rely on an external OH provider and that our own in house HR team to identify what and when needs doing. Something that isn't working. It maybe that our OH provider needs to ocme back in to give another introduction to occ health. 

SNS  
#4 Posted : 24 October 2017 20:09:29(UTC)
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SNS

If your current system isn't perfoming as you wish see if there are other providers in the area who could give a competitive quote with an explanatory visit.

OH should fall out of the business RA processes, once you know what your risks are then OH can meet your requirements. In a previous life our OH company tried to tell us what they wanted to deliver, not ask us what we needed.

stonecold  
#5 Posted : 25 October 2017 12:43:24(UTC)
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stonecold

Originally Posted by: pip306 Go to Quoted Post

Hi 

Does anyone know if there are any actual occupational health only training courses for H&S advisors covering health surveillance, stress, wellbeing, occ diseases that kind of thing.

All i seem to get when i google or look at IOSH etc is Msc NVQ which i am doing or courses for nurses who would be dealing with occ health diseases etc. 

Not sure if this is any good to you, its something I came across from NEBOSH 

https://www.nebosh.org.uk/qualifications/certificate/default.asp?cref=570&ct=2

pip306  
#6 Posted : 26 October 2017 13:08:58(UTC)
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pip306

Thank you stonecold that is very insteresting :)

KieranD  
#7 Posted : 27 October 2017 07:48:47(UTC)
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KieranD

Pip306

Work-related stress and muscuoloskeletal disorders are common sources of hazards associated with occupational health, not least because the proximate causes of both are so diversified and may arise differently within males and females at different stages in life.

You may find that chartered ergonomists offer useful, reasonably-priced training on musculoskeletal injury risk management and ethat chartered occupational psychologists offer useful,reasonably-priced  training on work-related stress.

lorna  
#8 Posted : 27 October 2017 08:02:08(UTC)
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lorna

I fancied adding an Occ Health qualification to my list and found a few modules on a Masters course that would have been ideal - only to be told that I'd need to do the whole thing. I don't have the time, money or inclination to do that. I haven't been able to find anything else at the right level, in the right location or at a reasonable price (can't do anything NEBOSH as I haven't got a NEBOSH Cert). 

I did a 3 day course on Ergonomics about 10 years ago so I'll probably look that way & cherry pick a few specialist areas rather than considering an over arching Occ Health course. There's definitely a gap in the market...

Edited by user 27 October 2017 08:03:34(UTC)  | Reason: I type faster than I can spell!

RayRapp  
#9 Posted : 27 October 2017 10:03:47(UTC)
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RayRapp

This thread clearly identifies how diverse 'Health and Safety' can be, whilst there is often an overlap within certain specialised fields, the general H&S Practitioner cannot be an expert in all of them including Occupational Health.

Like many organisations we use an external provider for OH services. Not found the service particularly good, it's a bit of a tick in the box exercise...but a necessary evil I guess. With regards to stress and workplace stress RAs, this I suggest is another specialist area within H&S which probably has not yet been fully developed save for the odd exception. Most H&S Practitioners could deal with occupational stress matters given the time and resources necessary - which is half the problem I suggest.  

KieranD  
#10 Posted : 27 October 2017 13:02:44(UTC)
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KieranD

The report, 'Reclaiming Health and Safety', by Ragnar Löftstedt, affirmed very clearly how safety and health laws are almost all validated by scientific evidence.

In practice,  occupational health as practised by medical doctors, psychologists, ergonomists and othere requires understanding how to gather data about stressors, sources of musuloskeletal injuries, etc. evaluating them and explaining them clearly in writing and in person.

In addition to workshops, learning through being coached is a good way to progress in practising occupational health within one's boundaries of competence

RayRapp  
#11 Posted : 28 October 2017 12:06:55(UTC)
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RayRapp

Originally Posted by: lorna Go to Quoted Post

I fancied adding an Occ Health qualification to my list and found a few modules on a Masters course that would have been ideal - only to be told that I'd need to do the whole thing. I don't have the time, money or inclination to do that. I haven't been able to find anything else at the right level, in the right location or at a reasonable price (can't do anything NEBOSH as I haven't got a NEBOSH Cert). 

I did a 3 day course on Ergonomics about 10 years ago so I'll probably look that way & cherry pick a few specialist areas rather than considering an over arching Occ Health course. There's definitely a gap in the market...

Unless you are looking for a qualification per se you could teach yourself occupational health matters and maybe sometime in the future look for a more suitable qualification. Good book for starters - Fitness for Work, The medical aspects - Third Edition, Cox, Edwards and Palmer - Oxford University Press

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