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Healthy  
#1 Posted : 10 November 2017 14:19:05(UTC)
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Healthy

Hi can anyone give me some advice / links on the below question for my H&S Exam????

Article 5(1) Of directive 89/391/EEC provides that 'The employer shall have a duty to ensure the safety and health of workers in every aspect related to the work'. In a recent challenge, the european commission argued that this was an absolute duty. DISCUSS whether the use of the so far as is reasonably practicable provision goes beyond the exclusions to article 5(1) That are listed in article 5(4) Which allows member states to provide for; 'the exclusion or the limitation of employers' Responsibility where occurrences are due to unusual and unforeseeable circumstances, beyond the employers' Control, or to exceptional events, the consequences of which could not have been avoided despite the exercise of all due care.'

A Kurdziel  
#2 Posted : 10 November 2017 16:56:26(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Well it’s not recent for a start! I think it was ten years ago (at least). The story was that the European Commission, one of who’s roles is to monitor compliance with EU directives by member states decided that they did not like the qualification ‘so far as reasonably practicable’  that is used in the Health and Safety at Work Act and other UK H&S legislation.  It was not the case that they saw that as an absolute duty. The legal system that is in use in most of Europe is based on the Napoleonic Civil Code and the concept of absolute and qualified duty does not exist under this code.  Essentially NEBOSH have got the law wrong (there’s a surprise!) In European legal systems judges are allowed a great deal of leeway when interpreting legislation and (this is the key) there is no concept of precedent, which means that a particular interpretation of the law in one case has no bearing on subsequent cases. Under English law, judges tend to take literal approach to legal interpretation; applying the law as it is written. In the famous case of Summers (john) & sons ltd v Frost (1955) the court decide that as the law said any dangerous moving part had to be guarded this included abrasive wheels. That set a precedent which other courts had to follow which meant that all abrasive wheels were now technically speaking illegal.  Currently H&S  law is therefore hedged with the ‘so far as reasonably practicable’ qualification which allows a certain amount of leeway. Nevertheless it is not a cate blanches’ for employers to wriggle out of their legal duties. There have been a whole number of cases which have clarified what ‘so far as reasonably practicable’   means in practice, most notably Edward vs National Coal Board.

The European Commission still did not like this interpretation and wanted to get rid of it. Had they done so H&S law would have been very difficult to enforce in the UK (and Ireland which shares our Common Law legal system). The case went to the European Court of Justice who referend it in the first instance to the Advocate-General; a legal expect who looks at the aspects of the case and reports on it to the actual judges. He concluded, quoting some of the case law mentioned above,  that this was essentially a misunderstanding between legal systems that UK law was compatible with the Directive. The Commission insisted of having a full hearing before the Court and they agreed with the Advocate-General and found in favour of the UK and nothing changed.

MikeKelly  
#3 Posted : 11 November 2017 13:43:45(UTC)
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MikeKelly

Hi Healthy

You could do a lot worse than just tapping into google for an explanation, further  to the following post by Andrew Kurdziel, #2, of the ECJ/reasonably practicable case of 2007-recent? well, yes in the great legal scheme of things when 10 years is a mere microsecond.

You should then be able to put together an answer.

My personal view is that the ECJ, for which I normally have great confidence got this one completely wrong as I thought and still do that reasonably practicable is far too low a standard when there are alternatives like absolute duties, Strict liability and the practicable standard to choose from 

Some of the comments in Andrews post #2 I believe are wrong as there is in effect a system of following previous cases in France albeit not as structured as precedent in England/Wales. The judges are required to interpret the law strictly in favour of the accused and of course literally too-so if the words ambiguously mean such and such then thats what it should be as per Article 5.1.

Just consider in the last 10 years for instance the number of casualties which may have been significantlly lower if a tougher standard was in place ie absolute , strict liabilty or practicable [technically feasible]

The bill for the 10 years is say 15000 deaths from illness and disease annually x 10 =150000

Deaths on the roads due to work at say 1200 annually x 10 =12000

Actual deaths figuring in the annual stats of about  200 ish x 10 =2000 Total and this is just a really quick number at 164,000

Not every stat will necessarilly be related to sfarp but many will.

And what have we in the recent sentencing criteria but huge fines for the risk of harm rather than actual inury or death. Where no doubt application of sfarp would have led to the actual hazardous situation rather than a much better safer option under the alternatives which should be in the HSWA et al

I don't think it would be that difficult to introduce and when we talk of disproportionate costs, sacrifice etc [sfarp] we really mean that the workforce come second again to the needs of business. Edwards v NCB too.

It's very odd that earlier coal mine legislation was riddled throughout by practicable  no sfarp-why-Lots of mining MP's who knew what it meant and wouldn't have it

Regards

Mike  

    

 

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