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Aaron L  
#1 Posted : 10 November 2017 14:21:37(UTC)
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Aaron L

Just looking for some extra advice.

I have a soft strip out in a office on going at the moment, this area is contained by heras fencing/signage and there is only one contractor within the area carrying out the works.  I have witnessed an operative cut through some pipework while working at height in a cherry picker, once they had cut through, the pipework then swung down and hot the floor beside the cherry picker, there were no small barriers in place to protect the other operatives within the area from walking through the area although you could say it was banksmen controlled to a marginal extent.  Am i going too far by requesting some small barriers to be placed around these types of area to further protect the operatives who are involved with the works walking in the area or is a banksmen sufficient.

Thanks, Aaron

Roundtuit  
#2 Posted : 10 November 2017 16:19:53(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Sounds like a poorly planned job if the activity intentionally drops materials from height

Roundtuit  
#3 Posted : 10 November 2017 16:19:53(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Sounds like a poorly planned job if the activity intentionally drops materials from height

Aaron L  
#4 Posted : 11 November 2017 09:53:22(UTC)
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Aaron L

I agree with you.

As I said though its a soft strip out of an office, these pipes aren't big (probably 2" and 4 metres long) and they are only about 3.5 metres up in the air.  The pipe was still connected at one end  hence the swinging action.  The whole area is concealed  and the operatives inside have all be taken through the risk assessment so they are aware of the hazards in this area.  In an ideal world they would be slung with a jib and then cut at both ends so they could be brought down safely but time contraints/managers pushing jobs seems to take priority sometimes.....  I got laughed out of the office for suggesting the extra barriers so just needed some advice.

Hsquared14  
#5 Posted : 13 November 2017 11:18:14(UTC)
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Hsquared14

Based on your description I don't think barriers would really help as there is no way of controlling where the pipe lands so it could miss the barriered area completely.  I would discuss the method statement carefully with the contractor and see if a safer method could be used that didn't involve too much expense or slow the job down.

sidestep45  
#6 Posted : 13 November 2017 12:12:44(UTC)
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sidestep45

Segregation would be required for the cherry pickers as well, from your description I am presuming that pedestrian can pass free through the area and the risks are not only from the falling objects but from moving vehicles as well. I'm sorry that your legitamate concerns have got you laughed at stay strong your right.

Edited by user 13 November 2017 12:13:24(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Woolf13  
#7 Posted : 13 November 2017 12:48:57(UTC)
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Woolf13

Hi,

You are right to ask the question. The contractor who used the MEWP has a duty to communicate with other contractors who may be effected by the works. Whether the pipe is strapped or not, cutting a pipe at height there is a risk of falls of materials. Their RAMS should identify this and put in the appropriate control measures for the task.

Controls are proportionate to the risk, but planning and communication are essential. For example they could have undertook the work when there are less people are about. In this situation to designate a "drop" area with barriers and letting the other contractors know when the works were being undertaken under the supervision of a banksman would have been more than adequate.

Imagine if that pipe had hit someone. The first questions asked would be did you let others affected by the works know and did you designate a no go area...

You did the right thing in raising it has a concern. I would advise that you document the fact you did.

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