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rach108  
#1 Posted : 14 December 2017 20:44:52(UTC)
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rach108

Every year we take on 10-20 temps to install our data equipment on construction sites. They receive in house and also external training for health and safety and role specific training.

Previouly we would get them through a CSCS test. This year we have had to use the ECS related discipline. These are all being withdrawn in favour of qualifications for all roles.

This isn't possible for us as we take temps on for 3-8 months. We don't need to hold qualifications for what we do.  Does anyone have similar issues and how will we get these guys on sites?

Roundtuit  
#2 Posted : 14 December 2017 21:06:57(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Hows about realising data is not truly a Construction Related Occupation and start pointing the ill informed to the fact that the card schemes are drawing back from a blanket "no card - no access" policy so that a "Skills" card actually reflects construction skills rather than passing an on-line H&S test.

If we stopped having sheep we would stop getting fleeced

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Roundtuit  
#3 Posted : 14 December 2017 21:06:57(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Hows about realising data is not truly a Construction Related Occupation and start pointing the ill informed to the fact that the card schemes are drawing back from a blanket "no card - no access" policy so that a "Skills" card actually reflects construction skills rather than passing an on-line H&S test.

If we stopped having sheep we would stop getting fleeced

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rach108  
#4 Posted : 15 December 2017 10:47:07(UTC)
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I'm not sure I actually get what you mean and who that apparent annoyance is aimed at. 

Data has now been forced through ECS, who demand qualifications that aren't needed by our temporary staff to do the works they do. 

Our permanent staff are not a problem but we need to be allowed to carry out our installs and to do that we need to be allowed on construction sites.  

DaveBridle  
#5 Posted : 15 December 2017 11:14:18(UTC)
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DaveBridle

Suggest you apply for the CSCS Yellow Card.  Designed for frequent site visitors who have no construction related skills.

https://www.cscs.uk.com/card-type/site-visitor/

You still do the H&S Touch-Screen test.

Roundtuit  
#6 Posted : 15 December 2017 11:53:47(UTC)
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Roundtuit

My annoyance is with the miss-use of card schemes - just as CSCS starts to try and clean up its act Highways England announces another card.

CSCS Head of Communications Alan O’Neile: “The Construction Leadership Council announced that skills certification card schemes carrying the CSCS logo must only certify those occupations with nationally recognised construction related qualifications, i.e. NVQs or approved equivalents. For some, where their occupation is not construction related or no suitable qualification exists, a CSCS card will no longer be issued and it will be the responsibility of site supervisors and managers to ensure these workers are properly supervised and managed."

CSCS Chief Executive Graham Wren said: “I welcome this update from the CLC. It reflects industry practice in that cards are only required for those undertaking construction work. The rigid enforcement of a 100% carded workforce results in legitimate, non-construction related, workers being refused entry to site as they do not hold a card. This indicates a misunderstanding of the card schemes carrying the CSCS logo and undermines the construction industry’s desire for a fully qualified, as opposed to carded, workforce.”

With this in mind why is the Yellow Site Visitor still available? A card available to people who frequently visit site, but have no construction specific skill. Money.

Roundtuit  
#7 Posted : 15 December 2017 11:53:47(UTC)
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Roundtuit

My annoyance is with the miss-use of card schemes - just as CSCS starts to try and clean up its act Highways England announces another card.

CSCS Head of Communications Alan O’Neile: “The Construction Leadership Council announced that skills certification card schemes carrying the CSCS logo must only certify those occupations with nationally recognised construction related qualifications, i.e. NVQs or approved equivalents. For some, where their occupation is not construction related or no suitable qualification exists, a CSCS card will no longer be issued and it will be the responsibility of site supervisors and managers to ensure these workers are properly supervised and managed."

CSCS Chief Executive Graham Wren said: “I welcome this update from the CLC. It reflects industry practice in that cards are only required for those undertaking construction work. The rigid enforcement of a 100% carded workforce results in legitimate, non-construction related, workers being refused entry to site as they do not hold a card. This indicates a misunderstanding of the card schemes carrying the CSCS logo and undermines the construction industry’s desire for a fully qualified, as opposed to carded, workforce.”

With this in mind why is the Yellow Site Visitor still available? A card available to people who frequently visit site, but have no construction specific skill. Money.

rach108  
#8 Posted : 15 December 2017 14:17:07(UTC)
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rach108

It was suggested to me that I speak to some of the build contractors as what was really required, was for the people to have sufficient health and safety training.  In theory that would be great, as I am more than happy to put all of our guys through something more appropriate like the CITB or IOSH site training courses, which are more relevant than handing someone a CSCS book and booking them a test, but in practice the site manager would point blank refuse regardless of what had been agreed higher up.

It seems like they have taken away the facility for an industry like ours to install our kit into a site when it's still under the control of the build contractor.  

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