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PHurley  
#1 Posted : 20 February 2018 10:52:34(UTC)
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PHurley

Hi All

I am conducting an investigation into a traffic accident and want to get an idea of possible speeds the vehicle will have been travelling at the time of the accident.  Briefly a left hand drive Mitsubishi Fuso Canter box truck turned a right corner (about 90 degrees) and accelerated (it is assumed at a "normal" rate - i.e. not erratic or excessive speeding). Road conditions were excellent, clear sunny day no other vehicles on the road.  After 130m the vehicle offside (passenger / left side) wheels mounted the kerb and the vehicle collided with a trailer parked on the side of the road 20m further along from where the vehicle mounted the kerb.

So my question is: If the vehicle was travelling at lets say 10 km/h when it entered the road what speed could it have been travelling at in 130m distance when it hit the kerb.  I do not have a time between the two points but am assuming steady (or "normal") acceleration.  Does 50km/h sound reasonable?  is it possible the vehicle could have been going faster (50, 60, 70 or 80 km/h)?

Thanks in advance

Peter

A Kurdziel  
#2 Posted : 20 February 2018 11:33:37(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

The equation is v2 = u2 +2as

Where v = final velocity

              u = Initial velocity

              s = displacement

              a = acceleration

but we need to know what the acceleration was “normal “is not enough and would it really be constant?

Assuming its about 10 ms-2 which is about the acceleration due to gravity (1g) we could have a final velocity of only about 21 km/h but the final velocity would have been much higher at a higher acceleration.

I have not done the calculation since I did my O levels and so I could have got it wrong!

achrn  
#3 Posted : 20 February 2018 19:24:26(UTC)
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achrn

Originally Posted by: A Kurdziel Go to Quoted Post

Assuming its about 10 ms-2 which is about the acceleration due to gravity (1g) we could have a final velocity of only about 21 km/h but the final velocity would have been much higher at a higher acceleration.

10m/s2 (if sustained) would give you a 0-100kph time of under 2.8 seconds, which is a smidgeon quicker than Porsche say the quickest 911-derivative can do it (https://www.porsche.com/uk/models/911/911-gt2-rs/911-gt2-rs/ ).  I think we can safely say that's outside the range of normal for a Mitsubishi truck.

I get 51m/s, or 184kph (114mph) for accelerating at 10m/s2 from 10kph over 130m

But I don't think maths is going to answer the question - it's too ill-defined.  If it's possible that it was going at 50kph, it's probably possible also that it was going at 60kph.  Assuming starting at 10kph and accelerating at constant rate, a final speed of 50kph implies accelerating at 0.713m/s2, and 60kph implies 1.04m/s2.  I don't see any way of saying one of those is possible and the other is not.

A one litre manual Ford Fiesta can do 0-100kph in 10.5 seconds, so that's average 2.78m/s2, so the two cases above are between about one quarter and one third of fiesta-with-pedal-to-the-metal case.  They are probably possible, but I'd guess that's working an emptyish truck quite hard.  I don't see any way of quantifying whether that's normal-for-a-mitsubishi-truck.

But this is based on knowledge of physics, not knowledge of trucks.

Charlie Brown  
#4 Posted : 20 February 2018 23:01:42(UTC)
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Charlie Brown

I have no experience with working out how fast a vehicle was going when it hit something and I would normally assume the police would be investigating an RTA anyway but if it was me I would be asking a whole lot of other questions like:

What speed did the driver state he was doing?

Were there any eyewitnesses?

Does the vehicle have a tracker?

Was the vehicle in roadworthy condition prior to the incident?

Was the driver blinded by said sunny conditions or distracted in some other way?

Ian A-H  
#5 Posted : 21 February 2018 07:59:01(UTC)
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Ian  A-H

I'd ask to see his phone records...

Ian Bell2  
#6 Posted : 21 February 2018 08:37:18(UTC)
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Ian Bell2

It's too simplistic to use the equations of motion to solve this problem. The formula assumes constant acceleration, which is unlikely. It doesn't take into account inertia of the vehicle. Any rate of change is a differential equation, which is difficult to work out on such limited information. Probably best to ask the manufacturers for their estimate, if it's critical to the incident. Or I would guess a vehicle crash specialist engineer with experience of assessing post impact damage in relation speed at impact.
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